Bad attitude

[HR Solutions]

My concern here is that a lot of cowboy shoot-from-the-hip advice is rolling out here

No ..... it is everyones past experience !! There are a lot of business owners on this forum !! Take their advice it is NOT cowboys shooting from the hip !!!!!

[Entropy Group]

Ignore that bit if you don't like it. The rest of my advice is sound. You cannot decide to give someone a warning, a final written warning or dismissal, without fair procedure. HR 101.

[bones]

is it just me or do i see a lot of technical
advice that feels a bit pushed

granted not all of us are experts in labor
law but surly not every single transgression
needs a case manager and lawyer to
handle it?

if that is the case then business owners
must consider other means to protect them
selves may higher staff indirectly

[Justloadit]

LRA today is a minefield.
There is even a procedure to follow to hire someone.
Simply hiring a family member to fill in a position can land you in a position of incorrectly followed procedure, if a potential candidate feels that you have proceeded incorrectly.

THE LRA has changed so much, that it even includes small business. This is the reason that it is a difficult place to be in with staff.


I suggest that any process or procedure which may land in an area of a possible or dismissal should use the services of a professional to ensure that it does follow procedure. Unfortunately, these professionals cost money, and sometimes small business may attempt to go on their own and find themselves in deep financial position because of incorrect procedure.

Make no mistake, other countries, are probably more stringent in labour laws.

[bones]

LRA today is a minefield.
There is even a procedure to follow to hire someone.
Simply hiring a family member to fill in a position can land you in a position of incorrectly followed procedure, if a potential candidate feels that you have proceeded incorrectly.

THE LRA has changed so much, that it even includes small business. This is the reason that it is a difficult place to be in with staff.


I suggest that any process or procedure which may land in an area of a possible or dismissal should use the services of a professional to ensure that it does follow procedure. Unfortunately, these professionals cost money, and sometimes small business may attempt to go on their own and find themselves in deep financial position because of incorrect procedure.

Make no mistake, other countries, are probably more stringent in labour laws.

if i am ever big enough i will not bother
i will get a broker to handle the staff
i wouldnt bother with permanent staff

[Greig Whitton]

if i am ever big enough i will not bother
i will get a broker to handle the staff
i wouldnt bother with permanent staff

Doesn't matter whether they are permanent or not. The Labour Relations Act was recently amended to regulate non-permanent employees (including workers contracted via a labour broker).

[HR Solutions]

Doesn't matter whether they are permanent or not. The Labour Relations Act was recently amended to regulate non-permanent employees (including workers contracted via a labour broker).

Yes, but when a contract is over you cancel cancel the labour brokers staff. You can the r hire for a new "contract" period.

[Justloadit]

Yes, but when a contract is over you cancel cancel the labour brokers staff. You can the r hire for a new "contract" period.

Not so easy, if the contract period exceeds 3 months, then they are automatically permanent, and require that you then retrench, with all the things that go with it.

If you make the contract period less, you can extend the contract, but if the period of employment is greater than 3 months, then retrenchment.

Many loop holes have been closed by the LRA.

If you trade in a specific industry, you are obliged by law to join the specific department. Eg if you use copper and lead, then you are required to join the Metals Industry Benefit Fund - MIBFA, if it is automotive, then you need to join Motor industry benefit fund - MIGFA, and abide by their rules.Etc

[bones]

Doesn't matter whether they are permanent or not. The Labour Relations Act was recently amended to regulate non-permanent employees (including workers contracted via a labour broker).

i actually know the labor relations act well
enough and yes amendments where made a
few of them

outsourcing Labor is the way to go then i
would do that because in the end labor
relations and disputes are no longer a
problem so i would think twice before
cornering people to much i would work
on a month to month base and get new
people in every month

it will be a pain in he behind but what
else cane you do

[Entropy Group]

"seek professional help with anything and everything never take advice from me" your most valuable statement yet.