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    The root causes are:
    Crap education.
    Crap health service delivery.
    Crap security, Police, Army and Intelligence.
    Crap service delivery.
    Crap SABC,
    Crap Prosecution department,
    Crap tender awarding and completion/supply, rife with corruption and nepotism.
    Crap AA policy, only the connected benefit.

    In a nutshell Crap Government by a Crap political party!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pap_sak View Post
    1. The attacks are driven by jealousy and greed - simple. Guys from outside SA - and within a fairly short time, have little thriving business. Just seem to have better work ethics and better small business brains.
    2. Better policing - prosecuting guys for a start
    3. I would love to say education - but you cannot educate a population that does not feel the need/ want an education in many (but not all!) cases.
    4. Probably the biggest stumbling block. I heard that not a single person was prosecuted over the last spate of attacks - even when the murderers was well know. You do feel the ANC has decided that foreigners deserve to be attacked - pretty disgusting. And of course, the apartheid made me do it card also get's banded about.

    5. Welcome to the forum - nice to have a Nigerian on bored.
    Thanks for your response and proffered solutions. Point number 4 is quite unfortunate as making scapegoats of such criminals wud help reduce the rate of violence. The ANC and in fact, the SA govt should condemn these atrocities and live up to their responsibility of protection of lives and property of residents.

    Education never ends but just like someone said these persons are d lazy lot, they may also be ashamed to back to school for formal regimented education. That opens way for adult education cum skills acquisition programmes to make artisans out of these guys and reabsorb them into the industries requiring such skills like the mining industry. They tend to blame the apartheid regime for "denying" blacks access to formal education. The current SA is only 20 years old, meaning the psychological wounds of apartheid cud still be fresh. This will at least ensure that they make enough money to send their children to school to qualify for job placements in desired good firms.

    I think the govt needs to solve this from bottom up...to terminate this violent thinking within this generation because after fighting immigrant petty traders, these people will still not be satisfied with what they are getting. They may be told that the Whites are their new problem...and the hunger and directionlessness in them wud listen. The rest will be history!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianh View Post
    It is pure criminality. The criminals live in the moment and are happily swept up into rioting. What is the difference between 'mass action' and rioting...in South Africa none.

    Locals are not only too lazy to start their own businesses they are also too full of sh1t to employ. Companies employ foreigners not because they are cheap but because they are dedicated to their own future. Locals are dedicated to the past and they feel that the world owes them.

    There is a simple solution to all crime in this country namely Swift public punishment. We need to have public floggings and hangings every Satuday afternoon in the local town square. This way the entire community can get to see what happens when you break the law. 3rd world punishment for 3rd world people.
    I don't know about SA and hangings but I agree with swift punishments and scapegoating. Locals carry themselves like sons-of-soil and as such shud not be found suffering to feed themselves.

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    Hello Blurock,

    The scenario you painted is everywhere. Could be worse here in Nigeria but we just believe in competition. If a Lebanese shop is prospering in my area, be sure to see a Nigerian buying similar articles in little quantities with the aim of a bigger shops than the Lebanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wynn View Post
    The root causes are:
    Crap education.
    Crap health service delivery.
    Crap security, Police, Army and Intelligence.
    Crap service delivery.
    Crap SABC,
    Crap Prosecution department,
    Crap tender awarding and completion/supply, rife with corruption and nepotism.
    Crap AA policy, only the connected benefit.

    In a nutshell Crap Government by a Crap political party!!
    Guess I like your points (style of presentation). Can u please help with possible solutions, if different from those stated earlier.

    Hope it won't be opposite of CRAP...government

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    Blaming education is the easy way.
    Whilst not denying that the denial of eductaion opportunity was wrong and has consequences education seems very much the play the victim syndrome.
    I think I have over 100 Ethiopian clients, probably 10% have between grade 10 - 12. The rest average between grade 6 and 8.
    Yet 98% of them own their own businesses, 2% arrived with soem money, the rest built their way up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donmeca View Post
    From the responses here, I see that the problem revolves around survival. People feel that their being South Africans should ensure they have jobs to feed themselves and their families and as such refuse to bend down to menial jobs or petty biz.

    These people also seem to be uneducated or not adequately educated for bluechip jobs. So they vent their frustration on these foreigners who after a few years seem to have broken even and living above board...with the accusation that foreigners occupy their job/empowerment space.

    Doesn't look good as these form the majority of youths...
    It all starts with politics and the communist/socialist way of thinking. Frog politics: put them all in a bucket. you don't need a lid because as soon as one tries to get to the top, the others will grab his hind legs and pull him down.

    "You are not allowed to be better. You are one of us and should remain in your place." Collective thinking. Collective bargaining. An employer is not allowed to reward a loyal and dedicated worker. Everyone has to get the same. Quotas. Sports teams, government departments and businesses should reflect the demographics of the country in specific quantities and percentages. It is a sin to excel. Mediocrity and tokenism is being rewarded instead of achievement.
    Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donmeca View Post
    Can u please help with possible solutions,
    I believe that the dominant political party has to remain the ANC for traditional reasons, the majority will not vote for any one else.

    However I believe that the ANC has been 'Hi-jacked' through 'Gerrymandering' branch organizations by an NEC of corrupt, nepotistic, Afro-Jingoist, morally bankrupt, backboneless individuals.
    It has to be wrestled back from this cancerous tendency (that is why we refer to them as the cANCer) and it needs to be restored to the once proud, moral organization it used to be before South Africa can progress as it should.
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    Would you like it if citizens from your own country are being victimized and harassed in other nations?
    There are lots of jobless south africans here in Sweden illegally and claiming social welfare, we don't set up on them and set them on fire like your lots because we are civilized people and not barbaric animals. You stated the foreigners are comitting crimes in your country, the last time I checked South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Is it the foreigners that are comitting these crimes or your lazy people?? Is it not ironic that the white south africans that were accused of the apartheid are now the ones leading the move against Xenophobia in your country. You black south africans should be ashamed of yourselves and you are a disgrace to the black race.

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    Mick - You will find most black South Afrikans are against the attacks - although some are not happy about the amount of foreigners they not going to attack them. This is the same as in many countries with large influxes of foreigners - as in the UK, Australia and many parts of Europe.

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