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    The world is regulated by standards. We use standard in our life every day; from your cell phone to the water in your tap to the electricity in your home. Road signs, engines, accounting, printing, packaging, food, just about anything that you can think of. (Think ISO, SABS, ICASA, IEEE etc).
    The air you put into your tires is measured. The fuel you put into your car has to conform to certified specifications. A doctor has to use a calibrated syringe to inject the right volume of medication. All instruments of weight or measurement have to be calibrated to ensure that the correct standards are being followed.

    If you use non-calibrated instruments, you may have the incorrect tire pressure or your car may not perform due to the incorrect fuel. Or you may die because the doctor injected the wrong dose! So many things can go wrong if we do not follow the rules.

    Why then would you use an unqualified guy to do work that can have very damaging consequences to your family or business?
    I have learnt to pay what is due as the consequences for not following the rules are always more expensive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurock View Post

    Why then would you use an unqualified guy to do work that can have very damaging consequences to your family or business?
    I have learnt to pay what is due as the consequences for not following the rules are always more expensive!
    We say this and people do use Registered qualified tradesmen ...and then we have a power dip in the factory where i was working yesterday (twice...2 x approx 1-2 second dips) and it blows the crap out of the entire electrical installation...that 2 second dip caused enough damage to the electronic components that most of the damage was visible...all the CNC machines had to be restarted...the occupation sensors all went on the blink...thank goodness i had installed a pure sine wave inverter which is used to support the important electronics...like the server PCs...telephone system...all the computers...which brings me to the use of registered contractors.

    A couple of weeks ago there was a 12 ft wire fence...from floor to top electric fence installed by a well know company which advertises anti climb ...anti cut fencing ...well the interesting part is the 1.5 million rand installation installed around the complex ...proved to be a bit of a waste...they climbed the fence jumped over and entered the factory in the early evening...(also note the gates have 24 hr security) now they have had to raise the electric fence another 6 rungs at a huge cost...but anyway this is not about the money wasted on the fencing.

    The security lighting also proved to be a bit of a flop...dark spots everywhere...so the complex managing agent (wont mention their name as i dont have anything good to say about them either) send one of their many preferred suppliers (i have had to deal with 3 of their preferred suppliers all i am gona say is ...WOW not good) they decide to add flood lights on the side of the building and connect it to our factory...the fact the "electrician" spent the entire time sitting in his vehicle on the laptop isn't the issue as maybe his team might have had the correct qualification to carry out the work...i didnt check...we have this dip and i notice all the reception lights are on...i switch all the light switches off...the reception lights...down lights and a few other lights stay on...so i go switch off the lighting circuit breakers...wait a couple seconds and reset...so what is the problem...it seems the electrical contractor has somehow bypassed all the lights some how to get his day/night switch for the flood light to work do i call these people back or do i just fix the problem myself.

    while i am on a roll here...

    first preferred supplier...the electrical contractor which did the COC ...one f the many problem i have found...he installed 150 mm long screws into the DB where the wiring looms go ...right through the loom ...it blew a 800 breaker in the sub station...ther ewer emany other issues a story for another day.

    The second...was given the task of checking that my installation was done correctly...he couldnt find anything wrong...but i did point out numerous issues which were not repaired when the previous "inspector" issued the COC...he indicated that he would attend to them...still waiting...when asked why he didnt bring any equipment to carry out the tests and inspection...i was told he just wanted to get a feel of who was responsible for the installation and decide...either he was just too lazy to do the inspection or just wanted to bill the managing agent for his chat with me.

    now the third ...a simple job like connecting a day night switch to the building electrics...cant even get that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ians View Post
    We say this and people do use Registered qualified tradesmen ...and then we have a power dip in the factory where i was working yesterday (twice...2 x approx 1-2 second dips) and it blows the crap out of the entire electrical installation...that 2 second dip caused enough damage to the electronic components that most of the damage was visible...all the CNC machines had to be restarted...the occupation sensors all went on the blink...thank goodness i had installed a pure sine wave inverter which is used to support the important electronics...like the server PCs...telephone system...all the computers...which brings me to the use of registered contractors.

    A couple of weeks ago there was a 12 ft wire fence...from floor to top electric fence installed by a well know company which advertises anti climb ...anti cut fencing ...well the interesting part is the 1.5 million rand installation installed around the complex ...proved to be a bit of a waste...they climbed the fence jumped over and entered the factory in the early evening...(also note the gates have 24 hr security) now they have had to raise the electric fence another 6 rungs at a huge cost...but anyway this is not about the money wasted on the fencing.

    The security lighting also proved to be a bit of a flop...dark spots everywhere...so the complex managing agent (wont mention their name as i dont have anything good to say about them either) send one of their many preferred suppliers (i have had to deal with 3 of their preferred suppliers all i am gona say is ...WOW not good) they decide to add flood lights on the side of the building and connect it to our factory...the fact the "electrician" spent the entire time sitting in his vehicle on the laptop isn't the issue as maybe his team might have had the correct qualification to carry out the work...i didnt check...we have this dip and i notice all the reception lights are on...i switch all the light switches off...the reception lights...down lights and a few other lights stay on...so i go switch off the lighting circuit breakers...wait a couple seconds and reset...so what is the problem...it seems the electrical contractor has somehow bypassed all the lights some how to get his day/night switch for the flood light to work do i call these people back or do i just fix the problem myself.

    while i am on a roll here...

    first preferred supplier...the electrical contractor which did the COC ...one f the many problem i have found...he installed 150 mm long screws into the DB where the wiring looms go ...right through the loom ...it blew a 800 breaker in the sub station...ther ewer emany other issues a story for another day.

    The second...was given the task of checking that my installation was done correctly...he couldnt find anything wrong...but i did point out numerous issues which were not repaired when the previous "inspector" issued the COC...he indicated that he would attend to them...still waiting...when asked why he didnt bring any equipment to carry out the tests and inspection...i was told he just wanted to get a feel of who was responsible for the installation and decide...either he was just too lazy to do the inspection or just wanted to bill the managing agent for his chat with me.

    now the third ...a simple job like connecting a day night switch to the building electrics...cant even get that right.
    I FEEL YOUR PAIN - There are contractors out there who do not belong in the electrical profession at all.

    You installed an inverter with UPS capability I presume?

    Imagine having to work with contractors that are appointed because they comply with the BBBEE specifications out out by government departments?

    At the first briefing the established and older contractors can be easily identifiable by the vehicles they drive, the cloths they wear and the sensible phones they use.
    They the Versace wearing, Rolex sporting, Gucci shoed, Latest Disco driving crowd.
    They invariably have no clue as to what the industry is about, ask *payment* questions only (technical a bit beyond their skill levels) and carry on about the projects they are involved with.

    Now when BBBEE compliance is required, this is the crowd that get awarded the contracts - usually at about 45 to 75% more than the average quotes submitted.

    A visit to site after the project has commenced is usually shocking!!

    Anybody else in this game?

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