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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave A View Post
    You will be delighted to hear that thanks to a SANS 10142-1 update due to take effect any day now, a two page COC is just around the corner.
    Thank goodness ... but not really because i still have a pile of the old yellow COC's which i bought about 10 years ago (which i still use on occassion) which means i have to waste money buying new ones.

    While on the COC subject ... is part of the update going to include ...random checks on issued COC's and some form of policing ... because without it it just more wasted money ... much like redoing your drivers every 5 years ... its just money for the "system" ... with no real value to the consumer.

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    Hi

    I am in the final stages of purchasing a property which isn't registered yet.

    I noticed the COC isn't compliant and have had the electrical inspectors come and confirm the same.

    Many of the lights do not work. I originally assumed that it was just the bulbs etc. but I have now realized that the light fittings and or fuses/ energisers etc. are faulty.

    Who's responsible for this ? Does it fall outside of the point of consumption ?

    Also with regards to fixed lights that have been added & mounted on walls with screws etc. Can they be connected to the electricity with standard wiring leading to plugs ? Some lights are camping caravan lights.

    Where can I as a layman find information on the standards & regulations wrt my installation ?

    Thx
    Riaan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artvark View Post
    Hi

    I am in the final stages of purchasing a property which isn't registered yet.

    I noticed the COC isn't compliant and have had the electrical inspectors come and confirm the same.

    Many of the lights do not work. I originally assumed that it was just the bulbs etc. but I have now realized that the light fittings and or fuses/ energisers etc. are faulty.

    Who's responsible for this ? Does it fall outside of the point of consumption ?

    Also with regards to fixed lights that have been added & mounted on walls with screws etc. Can they be connected to the electricity with standard wiring leading to plugs ? Some lights are camping caravan lights.

    Where can I as a layman find information on the standards & regulations wrt my installation ?

    Thx
    Riaan
    The only way to make sure the COC is legit ...STOP THE TRANSFER ...and get your own inspector to test the property.

    Dont waste your time trying to figue the rules and regs.
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    If transfer is taking place, it means that you have already paid to the transfer attorney the full sale price, or else there would be no transfer initiated.
    Stopping the transfer may have legal issues, and you could loose your deposit depending on the T & Cs of the offer to purchase agreement.
    The COC and issues you have now raised should have been verified before any deposits and signatures applied to contracts.

    Going the legal route is going to cost lots of time and lots of money, your decision, and while legal action is taking place, you may not do any work to clear the issues. I am not an attorney and therefor you should seek legal advice on your options.

    Alternatively try and negotiate a discount on the sale price (very difficult as the transfer is in motion, as there is little leverage) or else you are going to be stuck with this, and sort it out yourself with a qualified electrician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justloadit View Post
    If transfer is taking place, it means that you have already paid to the transfer attorney the full sale price, or else there would be no transfer initiated.
    Stopping the transfer may have legal issues, and you could loose your deposit depending on the T & Cs of the offer to purchase agreement.
    The COC and issues you have now raised should have been verified before any deposits and signatures applied to contracts.

    Going the legal route is going to cost lots of time and lots of money, your decision, and while legal action is taking place, you may not do any work to clear the issues. I am not an attorney and therefor you should seek legal advice on your options.

    Alternatively try and negotiate a discount on the sale price (very difficult as the transfer is in motion, as there is little leverage) or else you are going to be stuck with this, and sort it out yourself with a qualified electrician.
    Not if there has been an illegal/fraudulent (COC) document. We have just done it with a sale where APE electrical issued a COC ... we got Tom Jones electrical ( we needed a second opinion) in to do an inspection and found that the list of faults was longer than expected ... A meeting was setup with the both parties and the new owner ... it established that the COC issued was not up to standard and that APE would return and "fix" all the parts of the installations which were not up to standard.

    If the transfer goes through and the COC is not illegal ...the process to "fix" becomes the new owners responsiblity ... the new owner has to contact the AIA (another story on its own) which could take weeks if not months ... the new owner has to pay for the repairs and then claim.

    My advise ... i get involved in bullshyte a lot ... if you suspect the house is not up to standard ... spend the moeny and get your own inspector to check the property ...other wise you ar ein for a long haul.

    To make it even worse ...most new owners couldnt be bothered with the hassle of sorting out the COC ...then they try sell their house and suddenly the poor sucker (electrician) who has been doing the work for the new owner is suddenly the bad person who should have told the customer about the issue ... i recently told a customer to piss off (not so nicely) ...when she tried this shyte with me ... been there ...have a whole cupboard of TEE shirts.
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    The transfer isn't completed yet. And it cannot be completed until a valid COC is re-issued.
    So I need to hold the seller and his electrician accountable now, while I still can.

    I am waiting for the inspector to come and verify the fixes.

    Back to my questions: as the inspector and various different electricians have different opinions on what compliance means for fixed lights that are plugged in.

    I.e. if the cord is less than 3m long it's ok ?
    Others say if it is permanently plugged in and it's fixed to the wall with screws etc. than it should not be permanently plugged in, it needs to be either removed or done according to sans standards ? Do the light fittings need to work ?

    I need clarity as I will eventually be the one responsible and liable for this.

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