German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death

**adrianh** · 07-Sep-14, 05:05 PM

...and here we have the way I see the world...

**andrecv** · 07-Sep-14, 08:41 PM

and there goes the BIG BANG BULLSHIT down the drain...

**Blurock** · 07-Sep-14, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by adrianh

...and here we have the way I see the world... (consciousness is a mathematical pattern)

So do we agree that everything in the universe exist and move along predetermined patterns? There appears to be a certain order in all the chaos and man is just a little spec of dust in all of creation.
Your DNA is programmed, the seasons are programmed, the tides of the ocean, the orbits of the planets, the movement of the galaxies - everything is perfectly programmed. Who started it all? Who did the programming? Maybe we should get out of our own little egoistic worlds and see what is really out there and stare in awe at this great universe and God's creation.

**Basment Dweller** · 07-Sep-14, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Blurock

Who started it all? Who did the programming?

Who created God? What was there before God? You're just moving the goal posts a little further back and ending up with the same problem that you are trying to prove away by evoking God in the first place...

**Blurock** · 08-Sep-14, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Basment Dweller

Who created God? What was there before God? You're just moving the goal posts a little further back and ending up with the same problem that you are trying to prove away by evoking God in the first place...

There are many questions that we thought could never be answered, that have been answered. Scientists and physicists are revealing more about our universe our bodies and how things work every day. Medical science have found cures for previously incurable ailments. Archaeologists have found explanations for much of our planet's history and we now know more about the far off planets and constellations in our universe.

Our forefathers could never have imagined a man on the moon, a heart transplant, cures for a number of diseases, cell phones, self driving cars, quantum physics etc etc. Narrow minded thinking prevented many people from realising their full potential. Sailors who thought the earth was flat, would not venture too far from land etc. Information and knowledge have a quantum effect on thinking and development which accelerates as we get to know more about our environment and what makes it tick.

While we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to accept different theories and opinions from our own, we will make no advances and will continue to live in a fool's paradise. The answers will come to us if we keep on exploring and reasoning to find our real purpose on earth.

**Justloadit** · 08-Sep-14, 10:11 AM

If we are simply a spec of dust in the universe, as a human species, we are pretty arrogant that God would worry about the spec of dust, it would be comparing to a scientist trying to figure out the flight path of a single atom in the bowls of the sun, remembering that our sun makes up 98% of our solar system as far as mass is concerned. We are basically on our own, and we must make of it what we can, and not expect that the superior being is really interested in that 1 little atom amongst the gazillion atoms out there.

**adrianh** · 08-Sep-14, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Blurock

While we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to accept different theories and opinions from our own, we will make no advances and will continue to live in a fool's paradise. The answers will come to us if we keep on exploring and reasoning to find our real purpose on earth.

as my 15 year old daughter would say: Facepalm!

**wynn** · 08-Sep-14, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by msmoorad

the one who "wasted" 60-70 yrs of life on earth?
or
the one who is going to be punished for eternity?

I should really stay out of this thread, but have to answer this one point.

What proof is there that if you don't believe in whichever GOD others believe in that you will be punished for eternity?

"But the Bible, Qur'an, Torah says so." is not proof, someone has to come back from eternal damnation and Prove it, and don't say Mithra, Jesus, or some other Deity rose from the dead because there is no proof of that either.
Dogma is just a scare tactic to keep the 'FAITHFUL" faithful in other words it is a tactic to keep the "GULLIBLE" gullible.

Atheism is not a religion, it is a consciousness that queries or disbelieves accepted 'Dogmas'.
It is not an organization that is there to destroy your beliefs, the main religions do enough of that already without Atheists having to do anything. (the latest 'Posterboy' is ISIS saying "Convert or die")
Atheism is just a reasoning mindset that does not have that unquestioning belief in your particular sect that accepts that there are precepts that are perhaps nonsensical to a non believer.

**adrianh** · 08-Sep-14, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by wynn

I should really stay out of this thread, but have to answer this one point.

What proof is there that if you don't believe in whichever GOD others believe in that you will be punished for eternity?

"But the Bible, Qur'an, Torah says so." is not proof, someone has to come back from eternal damnation and Prove it, and don't say Mithra, Jesus, or some other Deity rose from the dead because there is no proof of that either.
Dogma is just a scare tactic to keep the 'FAITHFUL" faithful in other words it is a tactic to keep the "GULLIBLE" gullible.

Atheism is not a religion, it is a consciousness that queries or disbelieves accepted 'Dogmas'.
It is not an organization that is there to destroy your beliefs, the main religions do enough of that already without Atheists having to do anything. (the latest 'Posterboy' is ISIS saying "Convert or die")
Atheism is just a reasoning mindset that does not have that unquestioning belief in your particular sect that accepts that there are precepts that are perhaps nonsensical to a non believer.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

**Blurock** · 08-Sep-14, 12:12 PM

What proof is there that if you don't believe in whichever GOD others believe in that you will be punished for eternity?

"But the Bible, Qur'an, Torah says so." is not proof, someone has to come back from eternal damnation and Prove it, and don't say Mithra, Jesus, or some other Deity rose from the dead because there is no proof of that either.
Dogma is just a scare tactic to keep the 'FAITHFUL" faithful in other words it is a tactic to keep the "GULLIBLE" gullible.

I am not punting any organised religion or sect, because people misuse religion for their own selfish means. However, if I look around me and at the wonders of the universe, I cannot believe that everything just happened by itself. We as humans may not have the intellect to understand the wonders of the universe, but more and more is revealed every day.