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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurock View Post
    Nelson Mandela was a terrorist that turned into a peace maker. He has changed many of his original ways and has turned a socialist/communist organisation into a more moderate socialist/capitalist one. Maybe he was not a great statesman, but he was a great leader. He could admit when he was wrong and he could embrace change. He could also turn former enemies into allies or friends.

    For that he has earned our respect. We need more peacemakers in this world.

    Hamba Kahle Madiba. RIP.
    This is exactly what the Anc wants, all eyes to be taken off them & put on Mandela.
    The date of Mandela's death was preplanned.

    Here is a post I found on Wings & Wheels.
    Take note of the date it was written
    http://avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic....t=150#p1363884

    Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:30 pm
    NOTHER CONSPIRACY THEORY? - MAYBE. MAYBE NOT! STILL IT'S INTERESTING READING:

    Team ALARM has been of the opinion that Nelson Mandela, for all practical purposes, died quite a while ago. For months not one person came forward to say that they saw him. We do however have reason to suspect that he is kept alive by machines, but that for all practical reasons he became brain dead several months ago. There are a several indications that his death might officially be announced very soon.

    The funeral of this very popular statesman will attract dignitaries from each and every country in the world. Up to now, the home town of Nelson Mandela, near Mtahata, could not have handled a state funeral of this magnitude. In 2009 Mthata was declared a “Rapid High Impact Presidential Intervention Node” and a serious effort was started to improve the transport, roads, electricity articulation and water provision in the greater Mthata area. The new extended runway at Mthata airport was taken into service at the end of May 2013 and the upgraded roads and electricity infrastructure was completed a month ago.

    Everywhere that important people and tourists might drive or move has been upgraded and repaired. Even some of the gravel roads have been extensively repaired and re-topped. Together with the new roads, bridges and electricity, there are also new petrol stations, hotels, and the Nelson Mandela museum that all looks so shiny and new and very stylish.

    The Government is of course denying that any of this has anything to do with the potential funeral of Nelson Mandela. The Government insists that it is all part and parcel of the normal infrastructure and development project run by the benevolent ANC government, to the benefit of the people of South Africa. We have to admit that the effort to improve the Mthata airport has been a long running effort that has bungled along since 2008 but has failed to materialise any tangible results, due to the normal combination of corruption and ineptitude. That all changed rather drastically in 2012 when the improvement of the Mthata airport became a rapid development project.

    The project's “Environmental Management Plan” (EMP) states the following very plainly in its introduction: “This is a special circumstances project and it is understood that this project is being undertaken for the provision of infrastructure for the landing of aircraft at Mthatha Airport for a special circumstance which is of national importance and is related to the former president.”

    Point 2.2 on page 8 of the EMP under the heading “Motivation for use of the proposed borrowpits” the following statement is made:
    “The Eastern Cape Department of Transport proposes to undertake the construction of a new runway at the Mthatha Airport in the Eastern Cape. This is a special circumstances project and it is understood that this project is being undertaken for the provision of infrastructure for the landing of aircraft at Mthatha Airport for a special circumstance which is of national importance and is related to the former president.”

    On 22 November, Zuma went to inspect the improvements and repairs in the greater Mthata area and tried to gain as much political mileage as possible from it. Basically all the political elite went to see if the place looked good, and they were apparently quite impressed with the way it displayed.

    Not all readers may realize that Mthata is only 31.3km from Qunu, the Eastern Cape home village of Nelson Mandela and the place where his funeral will take place. All the developments in the greater Mthata area also included Qunu and it is only a 30 minute drive on the lovely new roads to get to Qunu from Mthata.

    Then on Wednesday 27 November the SAAF command cancelled the bi-annual Wheels and Wings show at the AFB Ysterplaat unilaterally and without any good and valid reason. Many people are seriously hacked off because a lot of time, effort and money has already been sunk into the event that was due to take place on 7&8 December. The unexplained cancellation of the show is busy creating a lot of PR fallout.

    On Thursday 28 November the head of the SANDF cancelled all leave of all military personnel for the December period. No reason has been given.

    Team ALARM also became aware of large military convoys that will be moving from Pretoria and Bloemfontein to the Qunu area shortly. We have however not been able to verify this information yet.

    Should it happen that Mandela's death is announced officially, the timing could not have been more perfect for the ANC. Mandela's funeral would attract more interest than the soccer world cup, and everybody from Obama to the Pope would probably attend his funeral. Such a spectacle would go a long way in getting pressure off the ANC generated by the Nkandla scandal and the pending split of COSATU.

    Additionally it would be very, very beneficial to hold his funeral on 16 December that is already known as “Day of Reconciliation” which happens to be on a Monday this year. That means there is a very handy reconciliation long weekend appearing on the calendar in 16 days that can be used to absolute maximum benefit.

    The fact that Nelson Mandela the movie also appeared this last week, handily provides the cherry for the cake. The opportunity is just too good to pass up and we wonder if the Government will really let it slide by without making use of it?

    Will we see an official announcement of Nelson Mandela's death in the next few days? It certainly looks like we are heading that way. We will only be sure when we hear the official announcement, but will not be surprised at all when we do.

    FROM: Team ALARM
    Photo: ANOTHER CONSPIRACY THEORY? - MAYBE. MAYBE NOT! STILL IT'S INTERESTING READING:

    Team ALARM has been of the opinion that Nelson Mandela, for all practical purposes, died quite a while ago. For months not one person came forward to say that they saw him. We do however have reason to suspect that he is kept alive by machines, but that for all practical reasons he became brain dead several months ago. There are a several indications that his death might officially be announced very soon.

    The funeral of this very popular statesman will attract dignitaries from each and every country in the world. Up to now, the home town of Nelson Mandela, near Mtahata, could not have handled a state funeral of this magnitude. In 2009 Mthata was declared a “Rapid High Impact Presidential Intervention Node” and a serious effort was started to improve the transport, roads, electricity articulation and water provision in the greater Mthata area. The new extended runway at Mthata airport was taken into service at the end of May 2013 and the upgraded roads and electricity infrastructure was completed a month ago.

    Everywhere that important people and tourists might drive or move has been upgraded and repaired. Even some of the gravel roads have been extensively repaired and re-topped. Together with the new roads, bridges and electricity, there are also new petrol stations, hotels, and the Nelson Mandela museum that all looks so shiny and new and very stylish.

    The Government is of course denying that any of this has anything to do with the potential funeral of Nelson Mandela. The Government insists that it is all part and parcel of the normal infrastructure and development project run by the benevolent ANC government, to the benefit of the people of South Africa. We have to admit that the effort to improve the Mthata airport has been a long running effort that has bungled along since 2008 but has failed to materialise any tangible results, due to the normal combination of corruption and ineptitude. That all changed rather drastically in 2012 when the improvement of the Mthata airport became a rapid development project.

    The project's “Environmental Management Plan” (EMP) states the following very plainly in its introduction: “This is a special circumstances project and it is understood that this project is being undertaken for the provision of infrastructure for the landing of aircraft at Mthatha Airport for a special circumstance which is of national importance and is related to the former president.”

    Point 2.2 on page 8 of the EMP under the heading “Motivation for use of the proposed borrowpits” the following statement is made:
    “The Eastern Cape Department of Transport proposes to undertake the construction of a new runway at the Mthatha Airport in the Eastern Cape. This is a special circumstances project and it is understood that this project is being undertaken for the provision of infrastructure for the landing of aircraft at Mthatha Airport for a special circumstance which is of national importance and is related to the former president.”

    On 22 November, Zuma went to inspect the improvements and repairs in the greater Mthata area and tried to gain as much political mileage as possible from it. Basically all the political elite went to see if the place looked good, and they were apparently quite impressed with the way it displayed.

    Not all readers may realize that Mthata is only 31.3km from Qunu, the Eastern Cape home village of Nelson Mandela and the place where his funeral will take place. All the developments in the greater Mthata area also included Qunu and it is only a 30 minute drive on the lovely new roads to get to Qunu from Mthata.

    Then on Wednesday 27 November the SAAF command cancelled the bi-annual Wheels and Wings show at the AFB Ysterplaat unilaterally and without any good and valid reason. Many people are seriously hacked off because a lot of time, effort and money has already been sunk into the event that was due to take place on 7&8 December. The unexplained cancellation of the show is busy creating a lot of PR fallout.

    On Thursday 28 November the head of the SANDF cancelled all leave of all military personnel for the December period. No reason has been given.

    Team ALARM also became aware of large military convoys that will be moving from Pretoria and Bloemfontein to the Qunu area shortly. We have however not been able to verify this information yet.

    Should it happen that Mandela's death is announced officially, the timing could not have been more perfect for the ANC. Mandela's funeral would attract more interest than the soccer world cup, and everybody from Obama to the Pope would probably attend his funeral. Such a spectacle would go a long way in getting pressure off the ANC generated by the Nkandla scandal and the pending split of COSATU.

    Additionally it would be very, very beneficial to hold his funeral on 16 December that is already known as “Day of Reconciliation” which happens to be on a Monday this year. That means there is a very handy reconciliation long weekend appearing on the calendar in 16 days that can be used to absolute maximum benefit.

    The fact that Nelson Mandela the movie also appeared this last week, handily provides the cherry for the cake. The opportunity is just too good to pass up and we wonder if the Government will really let it slide by without making use of it?

    Will we see an official announcement of Nelson Mandela's death in the next few days? It certainly looks like we are heading that way. We will only be sure when we hear the official announcement, but will not be surprised at all when we do.

    FROM: Team ALARM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes14 View Post
    This is exactly what the Anc wants, all eyes to be taken off them & put on Mandela.
    The date of Mandela's death was preplanned.

    Here is a post I found on Wings & Wheels.
    Take note of the date it was written
    http://avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic....t=150#p1363884
    Agreed, but not all people are fooled by propaganda. Lets not lose focus on other serious issues, the tolling scandal and the scandal of 'nSkandla!
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianh View Post
    Interesting how history forgets the one and not the other.
    No surprise there. The one a hero to his people, the other a traitor, even in the eyes of the other's people. Was it Ciryl Ramaphosa that said he could not believe how easily they gave in? Africa (and the world) despise the weakling.
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    I think its merely a case of the victor recording his version of history! Imagine the history we would all be learning if the other side won the second world war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes14 View Post
    A lot of people think he died in June already.
    Funny how he has not actually appeared in public since then.
    Now all of a sudden while there is a lot of unwanted publicity on the etols, he miraculously passes away.
    I personally believe that he passed away jn June already.
    I too had a similar thought. Especially when they reported that he could no longer speak. I thought that they would announce it just before elections, but seems they needed money more urgently than votes.

    I wonder if we'll ever know for sure?

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    Nelson Mandela's living philosophy of Ubuntu, which is showing genuine humanness in practice, lives on and has already unfolded. The challenge for South Africans is to make this philosophy of Ubuntu an ideal..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanash Naick View Post
    Nelson Mandela's living philosophy of Ubuntu, which is showing genuine humanness in practice, lives on and has already unfolded. The challenge for South Africans is to make this philosophy of Ubuntu an ideal..
    We face real challenges in many shapes and forms. Many Rivers to Cross. The Elders are pay their respects.

    A delegation of The Elders is travelling to South Africa this week to honour the memory of their founder Nelson Mandela.
    The delegation, led by former UN Secretary-General and Chair of The Elders Kofi Annan, also includes former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, veteran UN diplomat Lakhdar Brahimi, former US President Jimmy Carter and former Irish President Mary Robinson.
    As part of the official state funeral, they will attend the memorial service for Nelson Mandela at the FNB stadium in Johannesburg on Tuesday 10 December 2013, where they will join fellow Elders Graça Machel and Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
    The entrepreneur Richard Branson and the musician Peter Gabriel, who brought the idea of The Elders to Nelson Mandela, will travel to South Africa with the delegation.
    http://www.theelders.org/article/kof...ndelas-funeral
    see more? http://www.theelders.org/article/eld...nelson-mandela

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    I believe the original report of his passing in June came from Australia, this report was very quickly rescinded. To what end, we don't really know, and probably never will. Madiba was depicted by the media as a gentle person who had forgiven the old regime and was willing to work with "his enemies" to build a new SA, yet there are many videos around that depict him as a revengeful man who wanted the mass eradication of whites.

    If the former is true, then we are happy to have known such a man, however, if the latter is true, then the former was necessary to convince the world of his "pure heart" so that others could carry-out his wishes. You decide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave S View Post
    If the former is true, then we are happy to have known such a man, however, if the latter is true, then the former was necessary to convince the world of his "pure heart" so that others could carry-out his wishes. You decide?

    "pure hearts" ?? why italics & what is there to decide. Did not Mandela 50 years ago prior to his sentencing say that he did not stand for white domination by black, nor black domination by white. What he stood for was a democratic South Africa for which he was prepared to die. Did he have lunch with the state prosecutor, the very same that was calling for for the trialists to be sent to the gallows

    An earlier post referred to him as a "terrorist". Who were the terrorists of the time? The Nats? Our fathers that voted them in?

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    an interesting article on Dispatch Online by Justice Malala - ANC no longer has leaders but zombies who follow

    PRESIDENT Jacob Zuma is not a fool. He makes gaffes every week and has no idea what constitutionality means. But he is not a fool.

    He might not read –- as has been alleged – but that does not mean he does not know what levers have to be cranked to ensure that he never gets inside a court.
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    Since he became the president of the ANC in 2007, he has overseen the most concerted and successful assault on the country’s independent institutions.

    The judiciary is today facing a major crisis of confidence because of cases involving him at the Constitutional Court.

    The minute he won the ANC presidency in Polokwane, the Scorpions – which had been investigating him – were disbanded. It was quick, cruel and ruthless.

    Over the past few months it has been the public protector’s turn. In that time, we have witnessed concerted and coordinated attacks from parliament, the executive and various wings of the ANC on the office led by possibly the most admired “public servant” in the nation today – Thuli Madonsela.

    Last week we had the extraordinary sight of our security cluster – which has over the past few weeks made fools of themselves saying all kinds of nonsense about Madonsela – turning on the populace and declaring that publication of pictures of the taxpayer-funded Nkandla monstrosity were illegal and that the full might of the law would come down on those who dared to do so.

    All this for one man: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma.

    The man is not a fool. He has managed to get Africa’s oldest liberation movement to become a tool for his protection.

    Whatever he does – whether it is his friends, the Guptas, landing their planes at military key points with impunity or a hideous compound being built for him for R208-million – the man has got the party rushing to do his bidding.

    And so one has to ask: Which ANC is this?

    How can an organisation that refused to have a personality cult built around Nelson Mandela allow itself to become a mere tool in the hands of Zuma?

    How can its leaders cast aside the party’s historical mission – to transform the lives of millions of poor black people and build a united, non-racial, prosperous and democratic country – to simply become gophers for Zuma?

    Yet that is what the party’s 86-member national executive committee has become.

    ANC MPs are now introducing legislation that is aimed solely at protecting this one man.

    Across the land, provincial party leaders hobble state machinery merely to protect and keep this one compromised leader out of jail and in power.

    It is an incredible sight.

    Once proud leaders who served our nation in exile, in the United Democratic Front and in trade unions now scrape and bow before one man.

    The ANC no longer has leaders. It has zombies who mindlessly follow this one leader and do his bidding.

    It is quite extraordinary.

    What has happened to the culture of debate and contestation that once permeated this movement?

    What happened to the pride that made this once great organisation stand up and expel people who muddied its name?

    How can this lot walk in the shoes of Albert Luthuli, AP Mda, Anton Lembede, Pixley kaIsaka Seme?

    So, as we look at the extraordinary lengths that the current ANC “leadership” has gone to defend an embarrassment of a leader whose entire family seems to be infused by a shocking culture of entitlement – Zuma’s brother, Michael, last week admitted using his name to swing tenders to his benefactors – we have to ask: Where is the ANC?
    TAXING TIMES: President Jacob Zuma at the ANC Manisfesto Forum on October 21, 2013 at Wits University in Johannesburg, South Africa. The e-Toll system formed the forum's main debate. President Zuma tried to justify e-tolling saying it was needed for the economy as Johannesburg is the economic capital of the country Picture: GALLO IMAGES

    JACOB Jacob Zuma

    The answer is heartbreaking: The ANC is compromised; it is lost.

    It has lost its moral compass and its leadership of society.

    The man at its head is a reflection of what the party is: ill-disciplined, compromised and unprincipled.

    The desperation one sees among the ANC’s leaders is a reflection of this. When a man as widely admired as Cyril Ramaphosa has no other argument to convince a voter to still support the ANC than “the Boers will return”, then you know that this is a movement that is both intellectually and morally bankrupt. The emperor and his lieutenants have no clothes.

    And so we will remember the reign of Zuma. We will remember it not for its achievements but for the cowardice, callowness and bankruptcy of the leadership that he brought with him. We will remember his lackeys for their bowing and scraping and their destruction of the continent’s greatest liberation movement. What an ignominious end for the party of Mandela.

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