Solution To Crime In South Africa

[desA]

This will never work in our country as our police force are not beyond reproach. There are quite a few of them involved in criminal activities.
I personally do not trust a policeman or traffic cop which is a very sad state of affairs.

Butch Hannan

LOL. The Thai police are of the most corrupt in the world. They were once referred to as an organised criminal gang.

Oddly-enough, though, it is the extension of the Asian gregarious cultural role, in terms of conflict resolution at the local level, where they excel.

As I understand things, in Africa, the culture is also gregarious in nature. If so, then perhaps mechanisms can be found within those structures & norms to deal with many of the current problems?

Harder & harsher laws will only further alienate the have-nots & haves in society.

[adrianh]

Public flogging

I think that the best deterrent to crime is public flogging and execution. No I'm not joking.

Every town should have a square where on a Saturday afternoon punishment is metered out. A bit like the Roman circus.

Theft and petty crimes - good whipping
Rape - public castration
Crimes where weapons where used - chopping off one hand.
Murder - hanging

People need to be reminded as often as possible that punishment will be: swift, harsh and public.

Putting people in jail simply has no value.

[tec0]

I think that the best deterrent to crime is public flogging and execution. No I'm not joking.

Every town should have a square where on a Saturday afternoon punishment is metered out. A bit like the Roman circus.

Theft and petty crimes - good whipping
Rape - public castration
Crimes where weapons where used - chopping off one hand.
Murder - hanging

People need to be reminded as often as possible that punishment will be: swift, harsh and public.

Putting people in jail simply has no value.

I don’t think so... Public executions sounds like the answer but it is NOT the answer. Here is the thing; take into consideration all the corruption that we have seen on TV. How many innocent people will be publicly mutilated or murdered?

For your suggestion to work you must first get the police force to be corruption free and the law systems must be working perfectly before you can even consider any form harsh justice.

[adrianh]

Swift, harsh & public punishment

News24

Cable thieves beaten up

Johannesburg - Two men were beaten by angry commuters inside a Putco bus after they were found in possession of stolen copper cables in KwaMhlanga, Mpumalanga, on Thursday.

Police spokesperson Nonhlanhla Kgosana said the incident happened on the R568 near Luthuli Village.

The two men, aged 18 and 19, were travelling in a bus from Ekosini Village to Pretoria.

"Some passengers became suspicious of the pair and searched their bag. They found the cables and subjected the two to a rigorous interrogation," Kgosana said.

"The two men apparently failed to explain where they got the cables and passengers beat them severely while the vehicle was still in motion."

Both suffered serious injuries.

Kgosana said the commuters then instructed the driver to stop the bus and dragged the two men out of the bus.

Police soon arrived at the scene and the men were taken to the KwaMhlanga Hospital.

"They confessed to the police that they had stolen the cables in the Ekosini Village and were going to sell them in Pretoria", said Kgosana.

The two were expected to appear in the KwaMhlanga Magistrate's Court on Friday.

Kangaroo courts - exactly what we need. It is great that the general public is standing up to the continual nonsense.

[tec0]

I will agree that the public was able to get these two people to justice and that their own version of beating them was “arguably” justifiable. However, a mob mentality has its own considerable dangers.

If a person is falsely accused by the public and the public continue to do this person bodily harm, and this person’s injuries are fatal. Then you have an ugly case of murder on your hands. Remember all is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

I understand that court procedure is lengthy and sometimes the accused doesn’t always get the punishment they rightfully deserve. However that being said if you are falsely accused you will be happy that the court system exist and that you are NOT victim to a mob mentality, because you will get a chance to state your case.

Still I will admit that once you are in custody, you are locked up and your life is left to the mercy of the other criminals. We all know that bad things happen while being incarcerated, and yes it is a death sentence via HIV not to mention the permanent mental scaring you will have that may resort to suicide.

Now, one must consider if the systems are “working” then crime will lose its momentum. Right now evidence point to crime being out of control so what is wrong with the system?

[desA]

Much of the difficulty lies in the divergent nature of the two systems of justice - colonial versus tribal.

The challenges will come in how to successfully integrate both of these systems.

[Dave A]

Moral of the story for cable thieves - rather take a taxi. At least there are fewer people on board.

[adrianh]

Cable thieves

DaveA - Good one!

[Galjoen]

I entred my former workplace in The Strand police station where a lot of complainants were waiting for the more than sleepy police officer to attend to their complaints.I heard a person reported to the police officer that his car which was reported stolen the previous day was found back by himself. The police officer said to the complainent to drive back to his home in the stolen car and that he was to busy and that someone will later come to his house to take a statement. I told the police officer that the vehicle must be cancelled before the owner could drive with the car. I was informed by this officer to keep quite and that it is not the old days. Now I ask you????? What kind?

[BusFact]

Oh dear. That is worrying. He's essentially driving a stolen car. Hope he doesn't get shot at by some gung ho cops.

[tec0]

Not too long ago I remember that two young men were shot at by the police because the police identified the car to be stolen property. I will be honest I can’t remember if both of them died in the end but one did die. Then it was found that not only was it the wrong car it was the wrong model and make!
Sadly this was a very costly mistake made by our Police.

So if the police informed the man to drive the stolen car home I would ask to speak to police officer’s superiors immediately.

[Butch Hannan]

Jail sentence with "Hard Labour" would have an effect.

[tec0]

If you want to fight crime, create jobs... If you want to fight hunger produce enough food. Imprisonment doesn’t solve anything... giving people an alternative to crime I think would be a better start.

Yes you will always get your bad people, but what good will imprisonment do? Look at the American prison system. Some of the most powerful gangs are now being controlled from within prison walls. So the only alternative is the death penalty. But again who will make sure that the death penalty is not being abused?

Hard Labour sounds good, but consider the effect it will have. Officials in the American system used their prisoners for contracting. Road work that kind of thing... in the end the Officials made millions and the prisoners ended up being crippled... In the end the system was scrapped... The point is, before you can introduce any system you need to introduce incorruptible custodians... That is going to be difficult to do...

[Butch Hannan]

After The World Cup

The powers that be have instituted a quick process justice system for people caught committing criminal acts during the world cup. Some transgressors that have been caught have been tried, convicted and sentenced. This begs the question as to why this cannot be the norm!!!
We need to get these people off the streets.

Butch Hannan

[tec0]

Right now South Africa wants the other countries to see that they are capable... This is true; I myself fear the future of quick justice, because you cannot rule out corruption. And then there is intention versus survival...

When is a criminal act truly criminal? There is a difference between a person steeling food from the local super market to the monster killing families in their homes for fun. The person that took the food, intentions was to stop hunger. The monster killing families wants to promote sadistic needs and pleasures and gain profit from it.

It is so easy to say that people are too lazy to work for money. This is utter BS created by the rich to enslave the poor! I know a very important man that is part of one of the biggest contracting firms in South Africa “if not the biggest” He said himself “if you don’t want the money I am willing to pay then that person haven’t suffered enough” and the money he is talking about cannot sustain a person, nor a family...

Now, what does this say about that company and their attitude towards the poor and the uneducated?

Crime is the result of greed and sometimes sadism or hate. This is almost always true. But I have seen good people do stupid things out of desperation too. The question is what failed? Look at the education system, job opportunities or something as simple as a “sustainable” income. “and I am not talking about R100000 a year income”

If you have eliminate desperation you can concentrate on the other side of the coin. The evil individual that wants to hurt abuse and destroy humanity. They are easy identifiable because their actions are inhumane.