Plugs having something in common.

[Derlyn]

What do the above plugs have in common ?
There are many more, but I am limited to 6 photo's per thread.

Peace out .. Derek

[adrianh]

The covers are all plastic and attach with clips...and of course they are not the new SA standard (I think.....)

[ians]

My kind of plugs ... non have the silly za socket

[Dylboy]

All have a switch for each point and also it appears that all bar the one have shutters? Interested to know more though
Also all have plastic packaging so perhaps green peace a bit pissed off for single use plastic.

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[Derlyn]

All have a switch for each point and also it appears that all bar the one have shutters? Interested to know more though
Also all have plastic packaging so perhaps green peace a bit pissed off for single use plastic.

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Installing any one of them since January 2018 has been illegal. ( See SANS 10142-1 Reg 6.15.1.1.1.c )


The question is .... Why, after almost 4 years of the reg taking effect, are they still being displayed and offered for sale by all the electrical
wholesalers if it is not legal to use them ?

Peace out ... Derek.

[Dylboy]

Agreed, but also for a new install or even changing of an existing one you only need 1 of the new things, I believe at least in a room, so only need one fancy new one and then the rest can be the regular.

So on the shelf should be the new ones side by side with the regular. So take one new funny one for the room and then the remainder as the good old regular.

Thats how I understand it

Also side note where can I find the 164-0 164-2 sockets etc, back of Sans 10142-1 has the plug and sockets but some funny things and no regular 3 pin style... or I am being daft and need to look harder hahaha.

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[Derlyn]

Agreed, but also for a new install or even changing of an existing one you only need 1 of the new things, I believe at least in a room, so only need one fancy new one and then the rest can be the regular.

So on the shelf should be the new ones side by side with the regular. So take one new funny one for the room and then the remainder as the good old regular.

Thats how I understand it

Also side note where can I find the 164-0 164-2 sockets etc, back of Sans 10142-1 has the plug and sockets but some funny things and no regular 3 pin style... or I am being daft and need to look harder hahaha.

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The reg reads as follows and I have highlighted some words to make it easier to understand.

6.15.1.1.1.c Effective from January 2018 all socket outlet points for new electrical installations shall include at least one socket outlet complying with the dimensions of 164-2. Socket outlet points may also include socket outlets complying with the dimentions of SANS 164-1.

Remember, if you replace a burn't socket outlet with a new one, that point is considered a new installation and the reg therefore
applies.

There is no need to stock plugs with only 164-1 sockets. They, according to the regs, should not be used.

Peace out ... Derek

PS. Had I worded this reg, it would have read " effective from January 2018, every socket outlet point for new installations shall include a socket outlet with the dimensions of SANS 164-2".

[Dylboy]

I understand now... apologies i had assumed the whole socket being that 164-whatever.

Thank you for bringing this up as well. As now I understand, often these regs are down to how the person understands it and interprets it. That can cause a huge amount of issues.


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[Derlyn]

I understand now... apologies i had assumed the whole socket being that 164-whatever.

Thank you for bringing this up as well. As now I understand, often these regs are down to how the person understands it and interprets it. That can cause a huge amount of issues.


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My brother. It also took me a long time to decipher that regulation. Sometimes, simpler wording is more effective.

Now, my original question remains .... why are they still selling them ?

Peace out ... Derek.

[Dylboy]

My brother. It also took me a long time to decipher that regulation. Sometimes, simpler wording is more effective.

Now, my original question remains .... why are they still selling them ?

Peace out ... Derek.

Hahah agreed, simpler wording would go a long way ! With saying that I would like to attend these like CPD courses and webinars etc that the ECA do with the regs and keep on learning or rather keep on trying to understand the regs haha.

But yes now you mention it why are they still selling those sockets? Its like the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing...

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[ians]

The way I see it ... until I see appliances fitted with the new plug top ... I certainly will no be rushing out and installing them.

I fitted one of those silly plug tops to an appliance ...you know doing the right thing and all ... It didnt last long after cutting off the earth pin with the grinder ...it doesnt even fit in an extension 2 pin plug ... it got cut off and thrown in the bin.

I would like to see the persons house who came up with this ridiculous rule ... If anyone knows him ... please ask him to post pics of his own home and office so that we can all see how well it works.

I want to see all his appliances ... kettle ... toaster ... fridge ... deep freeze ... "modified" to fit the appliance which by the way makes your warranty void ... I was told by one biggest appliance distributors.

[ians]

By the way are shuko plug not illegal in SA?

[GCE]

... "modified" to fit the appliance which by the way makes your warranty void ... I was told by one biggest appliance distributors.

Your warranty stays in place - Have attached an old article that I use to win that argument .

[GCE]

There is no need to stock plugs with only 164-1 sockets. They, according to the regs, should not be used.
164-2".

I agree that there was no need to stock them but the reg's have changed .
There is still no need to be the majority in stock.

If you read the complete reg it does allow for the " old type double sockets" to be installed side by side on the same circuit

6.15.1.1.1 Except where otherwise specified in this part of SANS 10142,
single-phase socket-outlets for general use (see also 6.14.1.4) shall
a) be of the two-pole and earthing contact type,
b) comply with SANS 164-0 and
c) for new electrical installations each socket-outlet point shall include at least
one socket-outlet complying with the dimensions of SANS 164-2. Socketoutlet
points may also include socket-outlets complying with the
dimensions of SANS 164-1 in addition to SANS 164-2 socket-outlet.
NOTE Where socket-outlets are installed on the same circuit side by side, this
configuration could be considered one outlet point.
d) For power skirting or trunking systems, each SANS 164-1 socket-outlet
should be installed with at least one adjacent SANS 164-2 socket-outlet.