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  • Dave A
    Site Caretaker

    • May 2006
    • 22810

    #76
    I know it's hard to feel sorry for Microsoft, but they put out a beta for everyone to rip into, and all this stuff never came up (one assumes).

    Roll the product out live, and
    Participation is voluntary.

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    • irneb
      Gold Member

      • Apr 2007
      • 625

      #77
      Originally posted by Dave A
      I know it's hard to feel sorry for Microsoft, but they put out a beta for everyone to rip into, and all this stuff never came up (one assumes).

      Roll the product out live, and
      Well, they did have their Insider Program (which I was a part of) with the preview edition of W10. And they did actually "fix" some of the bugs found in it ... BUT
      With Windows 10, Microsoft asked for an unprecedented level of feedback. The Windows Insider program not only provided keen users with access to preview
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      • IanF
        Moderator

        • Dec 2007
        • 2680

        #78
        Microsoft are trying to get onto the subscription model were you pay monthly for your software and as soon as you stop the software is disabled. Nice for Microsoft, but what happens where you get a new credit card and the subscription bounces as an example. It will cause hassles.
        Adobe do a similar thing but there are lots of third party apps for programmes like acrobat and these only update the apps when the new versions are released. Now all of a sudden you sit with a non functioning and essential part of your business! A lot of the big printshops still use the older versions with working apps to guard against this. Microsoft and apple have the same problem with drivers for machines you work off your computers as drivers for production machines aren't updated in a hurry. So then you need a working production computer and an "uptodate" computer so you can accept the latest customer files.

        Things like this add to the costs of running a business.
        Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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        • irneb
          Gold Member

          • Apr 2007
          • 625

          #79
          Originally posted by MacGee
          ...
          1. Buy an enterprise license of Windows 10 (this is the same license corporates use, and doesn't allow for your data to be sent to Microsoft)
          ...
          Do you have some documentation on that? I've been searching for just such ... seeing as we sometimes do get projects from the government (stuff like prisons) where we have to sign a contract to the effect that we will basically not allow anyone to even see the documents. Though I simply cannot find any mention of such on any of the paid-for versions of W10. I'd have expected Microsoft to at least mention it as a "feature" of those.
          Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves. - Norm Franz
          And central banks are the slave clearing houses

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          • tec0
            Diamond Member

            • Jun 2009
            • 4624

            #80
            Got Virtual PC going installed a version of win10 on it.... killed 70% of its internet traffic... it is not easy as you need firewall software "third party" and know windows inside out "and i so happen to know a bit about windows. But my packet sniffer still picked up some encrypted packets. My goal is to see no traffic other then my portable browser's traffic and that of the 3G modem itself. When i am happy that i plugged every hole i will make a instructional "if i can get the damn thing to go against its nature" But it will take some time.

            I am not happy to see what i saw in the registry... more on that later.

            for those of you that want to play with it here is a link...

            evaluate windows 10 enterprise

            If i can bend it to my will it might not need the third party firewall...
            peace is a state of mind
            Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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            • vieome
              Email problem

              • Apr 2012
              • 540

              #81
              Originally posted by tec0
              Got Virtual PC going installed a version of win10 on it.... killed 70% of its internet traffic... it is not easy as you need firewall software "third party" and know windows inside out "and i so happen to know a bit about windows. But my packet sniffer still picked up some encrypted packets. My goal is to see no traffic other then my portable browser's traffic and that of the 3G modem itself. When i am happy that i plugged every hole i will make a instructional "if i can get the damn thing to go against its nature" But it will take some time.

              I am not happy to see what i saw in the registry... more on that later.

              for those of you that want to play with it here is a link...

              evaluate windows 10 enterprise

              If i can bend it to my will it might not need the third party firewall...
              Teco that is alot of work! try and use cports http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html and then you can kill the unwanted process .

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              • tec0
                Diamond Member

                • Jun 2009
                • 4624

                #82
                Originally posted by vieome
                Teco that is alot of work! try and use cports http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html and then you can kill the unwanted process .
                Will look into it thanks
                peace is a state of mind
                Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                • Ganx
                  New Member
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 2

                  #83
                  Not so surprised with all the negativity surrounding W10 with the claims (and facts) on the privacy issues... BUT... having been using W10 since around March. As far as OS systems go with microsoft, this is certainly one of there best yet in my opinion. We also have a couple of guys that use it at work now ... so far, so good as the OS goes. Very few hassles updating, mostly display driver issues that actually come right with standard updates. NEVER thought i would ever say this.. but they have redeemed themselves on the OS side.. ( i am surely to be damned for that one LOL)

                  On the privacy side.. i dont think any surprises! Yes, no doubt an invasion, but believe that they have only given in to what many are already doing. All the conspiracy therorys out there about how much Google, MS etc can tell you about yourself, Apple, banks hacked, Etolls..etc etc.. On that basis, i have been using encrypted drives for a few years already. I still use Trucrypt as, nope.. not to much faith in Bitlocker just yet, also advanced firewall settings.
                  Keylogging, that i must say didnt see.. and if they have access to keylogs, then a matter of time before ti's hacked (if it's there...there's a way!) I don't think the privacy issue is going to go away, but there will be ways of stopping/slowing it down. As for clouds... One drive, cloud.. etc etc..all disabled. Don't like my stuff out there..bit old fashioned that way, hard drive in the safe. Read far to much on how that's gone wrong for peeps..
                  Anyways.. my 2 cents

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                  • MacGee
                    Email problem
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 10

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Ganx
                    Not so surprised with all the negativity surrounding W10 with the claims (and facts) on the privacy issues... BUT... having been using W10 since around March. As far as OS systems go with microsoft, this is certainly one of there best yet in my opinion.
                    Since I instigated the whole privacy debate here, I must admit, the OS as a product on it's own is very nice. Definitely the best version of Windows I've used.

                    Maybe one point regarding privacy - one way around all these concerns is to create a standalone account on Windows 10 (one that isn't connected to any MS services) and use that if privacy is a major concern. And turn off Cotana. Somebody posted a nice video link above to the things you can do to at least partly protect your privacy. Here's another link for people who prefer to read these things:

                    When you first get a new Windows computer (or set up an old one), you might be focused on downloading your favorite apps and transferring your files.

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                    • irneb
                      Gold Member

                      • Apr 2007
                      • 625

                      #85
                      Just for those thinking this "privacy-debate" is just a "conspiracy-theory" / "media hype" ... Microsoft has now admitted that there is no way to completely stop W10 from sending them usage data, keystrokes, browser history, etc. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...s-10-tracking/
                      Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves. - Norm Franz
                      And central banks are the slave clearing houses

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                      • tec0
                        Diamond Member

                        • Jun 2009
                        • 4624

                        #86
                        Originally posted by irneb
                        Just for those thinking this "privacy-debate" is just a "conspiracy-theory" / "media hype" ... Microsoft has now admitted that there is no way to completely stop W10 from sending them usage data, keystrokes, browser history, etc. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...s-10-tracking/
                        And we must just blindly trust Microsoft with our stuff... yea... I don't see that happening... ever...
                        peace is a state of mind
                        Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                        • HR Solutions
                          Suspended

                          • Mar 2013
                          • 3358

                          #87
                          Originally posted by tec0
                          And we must just blindly trust Microsoft with our stuff... yea... I don't see that happening... ever...

                          Then why did you install Windows 10 ?

                          Got Virtual PC going installed a version of win10 on it.

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                          • tec0
                            Diamond Member

                            • Jun 2009
                            • 4624

                            #88
                            Originally posted by HR Solutions
                            Then why did you install Windows 10 ?
                            to play with it, figure out how it functions, see if one can maybe disable some functions on it safely. More to the point to learn it. Eventually someone will have win10 on there computer and expect me to fix it.
                            peace is a state of mind
                            Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                            • irneb
                              Gold Member

                              • Apr 2007
                              • 625

                              #89
                              Originally posted by tec0
                              Eventually someone will have win10 on there computer and expect me to fix it.
                              Already had that ... some colleague had a MacBook Pro, which she needed to add a Windows into as dual boot (requirement for the main programs we use). Well, it's now impossible for the "man on the street" to buy anything but W10 as a new Windows OS ... unless you know where to go.

                              Short version: If it wasn't for me trying out W10 inside a VM (which BTW is the only place I'd ever use it myself due to the ability to untie it completely from network connections yet still be able to link to the host's discs) I'd have had huge issues in trying to sort out just how to get the correct drivers. BTW, do NOT attempt installing W10 into a Mac (as yet) - there's some hairy issues. Just getting right-click to work is a pain, and just try to install drivers without a right-click on any Windows. You'll soon understand just how much problems I had.
                              Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves. - Norm Franz
                              And central banks are the slave clearing houses

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                              • Neville Bailey
                                Diamond Member

                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2786

                                #90
                                Originally posted by irneb
                                BTW, do NOT attempt installing W10 into a Mac (as yet) - there's some hairy issues. Just getting right-click to work is a pain, and just try to install drivers without a right-click on any Windows. You'll soon understand just how much problems I had.
                                I have been running Windows on my Macbook Pro since June last year (via Parallels), and I haven't experienced the pain that you've described - in fact, it's been a doddle.

                                With regards to the right-click issue, it's a very simple tweak in the Macbook's System Preferences. I went to Trackpad and, under the Secondary Click option, I selected "Click in bottom right corner" - right-click enabled!
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