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[Justloadit]

The reality of personal information being open only really hits you when someone uses this information to commit fraud using your credentials.
The effort required to clear your name is far beyond ones imagination.

I believe prevention exceeds the cure.

I remember Jeremy Clarkson who reckoned that the fact that his bank account number made public would not cause any harm, after all it required his permission to make and withdrawals from his account, so effectively it was safe.
Hahahaha, one listener went to prove a point, and managed to take a great chunk of his money from his account. This was simply done, by creating a debit order. After this incident, the Jeremy conceded that all personal information should be only released if and when required and confirmed.

[tec0]

I think time will tell what all this info will be used for and if it is still safe using social networks, search engines and even this type of OS

My question is; Why do this? Why do they need to know every single keyboard key being pressed? It is just not right fact is it is wrong...

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[Blurock]

Dave you should definitely go for the upgrade windows 10 is one of the best operating system Microsoft has to offer

Check the below video for windows 10 brief review

https://youtu.be/zoutLUppiQQ

but before upgrading just check the compatibility of your system if its compatible you should give it a try

Wait until they have sorted out all the bugs before downloading. Nothing works as before and you will have to reload your mail passwords the lot. If you play games, settings will not be the same and some games may not function on this system. There are thousands of online complaints on W10

[murray]

I upgraded just 1 day ago.

All my software works like it did in 8.1. The update took about an hour. (not the download, I left that running in the background)

I never had to type in any new passwords for my email ( I use thunderbird) All my stuff from firefox like passwords are all still there.

I retained the classic shell menu, because its familiar and the win 10 start menu is not.

I like that the metro interface is completely gone for me. No annoying corner hotspots.

Pastel MyBusiness runs still. That was the only application I didnt know for sure ran on windows 10 before I did the upgrade.

I was surprised at the ease that this upgrade happened for me. The only problem is my PC cant "sleep". Apparently that is fixed in an update. I have disabled updates since I used about 5gigs already and I have less than 7 gigs left to last me the rest of the month... I expect to get the update in September but until then I can shutdown daily. My PC boots in 15 seconds so its no big deal.

Other than that its much the same as 8.1 (with Classic Shell start menu)... Cant fault it.

[murray]

there are many older articles about windows 10 long before it got to this stage now.



What is keylog/keylogging?



Clearly there is much more to this then just simple worries. Everything we do online does need some type of user name and password protection. What good is your bank password if someone can see it? What good is your e-mail password if someone can see it? What good is your gaming account password if someone can see it? What good is your facebook password if someone can see it? What can a person potentially do with all these password? Well they can mess around with your social life business communications and banking as well as other financials

Security exist for a reason and that is to secure information and access. There is a concern here and it is a big one... Well as a thread i think Windows 10 has been explored. My final word of advice is use it at your own risk and know that privacy is dead officially. Paranoid or not doesn't mean they are not after you because clearly they are and is actively collecting any and all data that they can.

This is not a feature of Windows 10—this exists only for the Technical Preview and will be removed from the final version of Windows 10.

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[MacGee]

Maybe worth mentioning that if you have a legally binding commitment to protect your own client's confidentiality/privacy you probably shouldn't use the "free" Windows 10 upgrade. Your clients info will be sent to Microsofts servers (as clearly stated in their end user license agreement), meaning you will knowingly be sharing your clients information with a third party. This is probably most relevant to accountants and lawyers. I know I don't want my accountants and lawyers sharing my information with third parties. The ways around this are:
1. Buy an enterprise license of Windows 10 (this is the same license corporates use, and doesn't allow for your data to be sent to Microsoft)
2. If you want to use the free version, make sure your clients are aware of where their confidential data is being sent to, or at least that you are not sure what is happening to it.
3. Don't use Windows 10.

[tec0]

until i see the new license agreement i will accept that Windows 10 is spy-ware. When i do see the new agreement and this clear violation of privacy is removed then i will change my view on it. Also i would do some data capturing of my own making sure there is no spooks.

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[irneb]

And some tests after trying to disable all these spyware ideas from Microsoft shows that things like Cortana and OneDrive keep uploading data from your local PC to MS's servers even if you disable those programs:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-sends-data-to-microsoft-despite-privacy-settings/

The question here is "Why"? The obvious (and least malicious) answer: "They're using the data to sell on for targeting advert purposes". E.g. if you've got a few files relating to houses on your system, you're going to get spammed by property adverts (i.e. just how google works on its searches, only now it's based on your off-line data files as well). Of course, there's nothing stopping MS from using such data for other purposes also. If it might make financial / political / enforcement sense, why would they actively avoid using it for anything else?

But then here's a statement that contradicts this completely:

In a statement to the tech site, Microsoft said "no query or search usage data is sent" to the company, but did not elaborate much further.

So, NOT doing what google does (i.e. they're not interested in your most recent search activity in order to target spam adverts). What are they stealing then? For what purpose(es)?

[vieome]

I guess there is a bit of a double standard, in that if some young kid takes a bit of information from some corporate computer, then there is a high penalty to pay, however these corporate companys can take what they like from your computer with no consequences, they dont even have to tell you in the small print exactly what the information is used for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Aleynikov

In terms of google one could say it is the price you pay to use their search service. But in terms of microsoft, you buy the OS, and add a further payment ... your information.

[bones]

i think i will stay away from this f_cking thing
looks like it is going to eat my internet cap

[Desert Man]

Won't everybody eventually be forced to use Windows 10 (expect for Linux and Mac users)?

[MacGee]

Won't everybody eventually be forced to use Windows 10 (expect for Linux and Mac users)?

Theoretically, yes. But remember, you are not forced to use the "free" consumer grade version (the one that sends your information to MS). Microsoft does have Enterprise versions.

[Desert Man]

Theoretically, yes. But remember, you are not forced to use the "free" consumer grade version (the one that sends your information to MS). Microsoft does have Enterprise versions.

Thanks MacGee. How about the Pro version wrt to sending info to MS (for those of us too small for Enterprise)?

[irneb]

Thanks MacGee. How about the Pro version wrt to sending info to MS (for those of us too small for Enterprise)?

Really not sure. If you look at Microsoft's own comparison of the 4 versions they offer, they say nothing about their spyware: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Wind...siness/Compare

You'd imagine that the paid-for Pro and Enterprise versions (and possibly the Edu version too) should have this type of thing (for which you usually install stuff such as AV's and anti-spy software to get rid of) removed. But I still cannot find any mention of such. All I can find is media / forum sites talking about just how much all versions of W10 is stealing user data.

And from my own experience I could see that the W10 Pro 64 version I installed (by upgrading a VM with W8.1 inside it) is sending and receiving data across the network, it's literally a constant stream of data at similar bandwidth use as if I'm streaming video (i.e. between 500kb/s and 2Mb/s, in both directions, upload and download), in the end I had to disable the VM's network before my cap was reached! And that's the Pro version which upgraded a bought & licensed W8.1 Pro.

Edit: And while searching for any mention of Pro/Ent having the malware portion of Windows removed I came across this: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cr...ly/026136.html
WTF? So if you choose the encrypt your disc, then it will be backed up "securely" into bitlocker, but your passkey to unlock the bitlocker is "backed up" as plain old text onto your OneDrive account. In addition to MS sharing all files on your OneDrive to whomsoever they choose. That's pretty awesome isn't it? I mean, when going out I always lock my front door then hang the key on the hook next to it so anyone who wants to can just come in at will!

[Desert Man]

Really not sure. If you look at Microsoft's own comparison of the 4 versions they offer, they say nothing about their spyware: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Wind...siness/Compare

You'd imagine that the paid-for Pro and Enterprise versions (and possibly the Edu version too) should have this type of thing (for which you usually install stuff such as AV's and anti-spy software to get rid of) removed. But I still cannot find any mention of such. All I can find is media / forum sites talking about just how much all versions of W10 is stealing user data.

And from my own experience I could see that the W10 Pro 64 version I installed (by upgrading a VM with W8.1 inside it) is sending and receiving data across the network, it's literally a constant stream of data at similar bandwidth use as if I'm streaming video (i.e. between 500kb/s and 2Mb/s, in both directions, upload and download), in the end I had to disable the VM's network before my cap was reached! And that's the Pro version which upgraded a bought & licensed W8.1 Pro.

Edit: And while searching for any mention of Pro/Ent having the malware portion of Windows removed I came across this: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cr...ly/026136.html
WTF? So if you choose the encrypt your disc, then it will be backed up "securely" into bitlocker, but your passkey to unlock the bitlocker is "backed up" as plain old text onto your OneDrive account. In addition to MS sharing all files on your OneDrive to whomsoever they choose. That's pretty awesome isn't it? I mean, when going out I always lock my front door then hang the key on the hook next to it so anyone who wants to can just come in at will!

Yikes - the more one digs the deeper the intrigue. Not cool at all!