IQ Test

[adrianh]

For sure, but they're all gone now - I promise you... :-)

[IMHO]

what rank you had in the army,

Interesting that you mention this. Can it be that you are part of the 'post army' days and do not understand the importance of this and how much it tells you about the person? Personally I love to get info like this when hiring.

Then again, the applicants interest and hobbies might not mean anything to you, but could make the diff. in the final interview. My son is an example of that. The final round were between him and another applicant, very even contest. He got the job because he had the same interests/hobbies as the owner of the business.

As an employer, I wrote a comprehension test to do the sifting. I use it as an introduction to my business, explaining as much as possible about the business and even throw in maths, some invoice skills, IT jargon, anything that is important in your business and check for comprehension afterwards. It also save me time in the introduction process afterwards and points me in the direction that needs further clarification. All of the answers is in the piece they have to read, yet they get it soo wrong! I never employed a 100% scorer yet. I simply can not afford them! Maybe that is where I make a huge mistake! In the end, it is not about the score, it is just a means to get the list shorter and to avoid really bad choices.

HRS, please do place the links to tests you find useful. Especially wrt IQ. I do not want to use it as an employment tool, rather to play around and see what the hype is all about. But genuine tests, not the play stuff on the net.

[HR Solutions]

@ IMHO yes I hear you regarding hobbies etc, but what you did 25 years ago has no relevance on a job application today. (in most cases).
With regards to posting our "tests" etc etc. I would have but I am not prepared to expose ourselves/myself again after what happened previously with regards to certain people stating what we can and cannot do regarding the law ! Sorry man. But I am sure you understand.

[IMHO]

what you did 25 years ago has no relevance on a job application today.

Wrong! What do they say about a leopard and it's spots? I agree that a lot of physical things could have changed, but your character is your character. Be it as it may. I am not trying to teach you how to suck eggs! I can just tell you, rank achieved in the old SAW en Seuns can tell you a lot about a person. Also, what the rank were, division etc. and whether it was a non-commission rank or not. If you know the difference and experienced it, that is, haha.

All I am saying is, do not let your own personality stand in your way of interpreting valuable information. You might not like running, never ran and therefore do not know the characteristics of a runner. Sure, his body might have changed and he can not do it anymore, but you can have the best body in the world, but without the right mind, it will not achieve for you. If you can not relate to something, ask others who can...

On the other hand, you probably dealing mostly with young recruits, so what does it matter that the person is proud to have been a chess champion when he was in grade six? It does not matter if he is not qualified or suited for the position, but when he gets to the shortlist, it starts to matter, however insignificantly. So, maybe what you are saying is, bring it up at a later stage and do not clutter the CV?

I do understand your other issue. What a pity, depriving others of possibly valuable info. How bout a PM?

[HR Solutions]

um yeah you have a point.

[adrianh]

Wrong! What do they say about a leopard and it's spots? I agree that a lot of physical things could have changed, but your character is your character. Be it as it may. I am not trying to teach you how to suck eggs! I can just tell you, rank achieved in the old SAW en Seuns can tell you a lot about a person. Also, what the rank were, division etc. and whether it was a non-commission rank or not. If you know the difference and experienced it, that is, haha.

All I am saying is, do not let your own personality stand in your way of interpreting valuable information. You might not like running, never ran and therefore do not know the characteristics of a runner. Sure, his body might have changed and he can not do it anymore, but you can have the best body in the world, but without the right mind, it will not achieve for you. If you can not relate to something, ask others who can...

On the other hand, you probably dealing mostly with young recruits, so what does it matter that the person is proud to have been a chess champion when he was in grade six? It does not matter if he is not qualified or suited for the position, but when he gets to the shortlist, it starts to matter, however insignificantly. So, maybe what you are saying is, bring it up at a later stage and do not clutter the CV?

I do understand your other issue. What a pity, depriving others of possibly valuable info. How bout a PM?

I totally disagree with you. The fact that the person was a kopperaal in the army means nothing (other than he probably was a twat) or he was a lieutenant (he was a lazy twat with bird crap on his shoulder) The fact that a person excelled in the army at being a total a$$hole doesn't mean much in the real world.

Leopards DO change their spots, big-time.

You go on to say that your character doesn't change - BULLCRAP - My friends and I were all worthless washout drug addicts, today we are all average people leading average lives. Further, our minds, ideas, values etc do not get locked in 25 years ago, the things that I believe now are totally different from what I believed then.

I could not care less where somebody came from or what he did when he was 17, all I care about is his attitude towards his future. People f_ck up when they are young and YOU hold it against them. The fact that I spent the first 20 years of my life stoned and messing about means nothing when it comes to my ability to reason...

Nah, I think you're taking a fat chance!

[pmbguy]

I think the emphasis should be about Holistic assessment

Ideally you want a holistic understanding of whom you want to employ for what. First impressions will provide you context. Tests may save you unnecessary dander. The point is the point. Job needs X, you get the best guy for X. What is best may be the professor or the student, or both.

[IMHO]

I totally disagree with you. The fact that the person was a kopperaal in the army means nothing (other than he probably was a twat) or he was a lieutenant (he was a lazy twat with bird crap on his shoulder) The fact that a person excelled in the army at being a total a$$hole doesn't mean much in the real world.

Leopards DO change their spots, big-time.

You go on to say that your character doesn't change - BULLCRAP - My friends and I were all worthless washout drug addicts, today we are all average people leading average lives. Further, our minds, ideas, values etc do not get locked in 25 years ago, the things that I believe now are totally different from what I believed then.

I could not care less where somebody came from or what he did when he was 17, all I care about is his attitude towards his future. People f_ck up when they are young and YOU hold it against them. The fact that I spent the first 20 years of my life stoned and messing about means nothing when it comes to my ability to reason...

Nah, I think you're taking a fat chance!

I rest my case. Your post says it all. Sounds like you were miserable then and is miserable now. From your bit about the army, it is clear you had a problem with authority then and still despise your seniors of way back then. You could not take it that they shouted the odds and you had to listen. Never mind that it was due to your own laziness and disrespect. I will never employ you, as you are what you are. You might have learned through the years how to hide it in the real world in order to survive, but you do not fool me.

This part
"Also, what the rank were, division etc. and whether it was a non-commission rank or not."
also clearly went way over your head as you do not have a clue what is meant by it. You just despise them all, full stop.

[adrianh]

IMHO - ag ou broer, sticks n stones....- or as they say in Afrikaans "Ek voel n veer" ...no matter how much you insult me I will still not agree with you. I still think that the ARMY was a load of rubbish and that 99% of the people in positions of authority were a total bunch of AHOLES who were unable to make it in the real world. Remember the phrase "PF P__s".. I'm sure you do...

[tec0]

I would have but I am not prepared to expose ourselves/myself again after what happened previously with regards to certain people

I think you are well past that threshold. If anything you may want to consider a request that admin sterilize this thread. Despite everything consider the fact that this thread may well discourage people from submitting there CVs. Also future members/customers may well find the information here distasteful.

Taking your post into consideration including other conversations here it is obvious that you use your own discretion more and perhaps it is a good thing but sometimes as pointed out the employer may well be looking for a characteristic that you may not deem important/worthy as found in earlier posts.

In future perhaps consider making your intentions clear. Thus you can avoid objections and people may have a clear understanding as to your reasoning and intention.

[adrianh]

I just finished reading a study about dyslexia. They found that people who are dyslexic also are missing some vital parts of the brain. They found that the area where intelligent thought normally takes place is simply not there. So, those who have this terrible disorder have to employ lesser areas of the brain to reason with. The biggest problem they say, is that those lesser areas are very often wired up in such a way that the wires cross and short out like a faulty telephone. This is why dyslexics not only see letters back to front but also tend to get the proverbial; cat by the tail all the time.

[tec0]

I just finished reading a study about dyslexia. They found that people who are dyslexic also are missing some vital parts of the brain. They found that the area where intelligent thought normally takes place is simply not there. So, those who have this terrible disorder have to employ lesser areas of the brain to reason with. The biggest problem they say, is that those lesser areas are very often wired up in such a way that the wires cross and short out like a faulty telephone. This is why dyslexics not only see letters back to front but also tend to get the proverbial; cat by the tail all the time.

I would love to see the source Adrian...

I see you like insulting people... For some time now I have observed you and your approach. You’re primary train of thought is “what can they do to me” Answer “nothing at all” Yes admin can step in and ban both of us and in a way it may actually be a benefit for the forum outright.

You are destructive force with no regard or respect to anyone. Like HR you over evaluate your importance and believe you have the right to speak for others in their absence. For example if a real customer of HR would see this thread and others would you think that there response would be forthcoming? [Rhetorical Question]

After all HR made it clear that they are only a facilitator and that they “the employer” laid the ground rules as to what they want and what they don’t want. That can have consequences if you consider some of the labour laws.

Herein I would say rather stop reconsider what it is you wish to accomplish and rather make your intentions clear. But I think we are past this stage as is. I understand if your post towards me is outright a slap in the face. I can take it. Question is when you start to do it to other members what are your intention? [Rhetorical Question]

If you consider my post you would find that my intention was stated clearly. Yet you rather opted to mock in hopes that people will think I am just being a jerk. Truth is they will read and they will wonder as I do. What happens within that situation.

I also made a lot of mistakes posted a lot of things and regretted it. We are human. So it is up to you.

[adrianh]

What are you on about, I'm simply relating what I read on the internet.

[HR Solutions]

Oh tec just FYI sake I have had 3 pm,s (positive) relating to this thread and 2 cv.s sent to my e mail add as of yesterday 5.30 pm so this has been a very good thread so no need to "sterilize" this thread, whatever that means.

I must say I had a good laugh at your last post. you really don't make any sense at all, you read posts wrong and then quote totally wrong as well it really is quite funny.

I would also like to add that a while ago you were complaining what a "crap" life you had etc etc etc.
I can actually see it in the way you write. In fact I would further say that you are not only dyslexic but you are bi-polar, which sort of gives further meaning to what Adrian above has said, which you also disputed, which in fact is true if you Google it, which you do quite often because you always have a lot to say about different topics. You are the most negative person that I have come across for a long time. People have tried to help you along the way, but you do not take heed of what they say.
Obviously that is your choice, but do not always find the negative in everything that people say on this forum. Rather respect everyone's opinion, because you certainly cannot change the way some intelligent people are. I am saying this to once again try to help you, because most people do not enjoy negativity all the time. Therefore in closing - Have a Happy Day. Be thankful for what we have in this beautiful country of ours

[adrianh]

it is clear you had a problem with authority then and still despise your seniors of way back then.

You damn right I have a problem with authority - I have no regard for some idiot who gets into a position and then thinks that he can do as he please because of that position. I respect those who deserve respect, no matter their station in life. I despise numerous individuals of way back then, there are people who should be shot on sight, but then that goes for many people today as well.

The rank that a person attained in the army means nothing at all to me because the fact that the person could run around and scream and shout absurd orders all day doesn't mean that they had any intelligence. Of course there were many well educated and intelligent people in the army with and without rank - if you think for a minute that army rank means anything in the real world then you must be living on some unknown planet. Imagine a person who had a k@k kopperaal attitude having to work side by side with "die troepe" in the real world, I think that he would get a couple of smacks very quickly. I can think of a couple of "kopperaals" who deserve a fat smack!