Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: Child killed by washing machine

  1. #1
    Email problem 123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    57
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts

    Child killed by washing machine

    Another tragedy

    a simple R300 Lear E/leakage could have prevented this, just so tragic...
    If it is not broken, fix/test it until it is.
    This is my opinion and I stick to it.

  2. #2
    Site Caretaker Dave A's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Durban, South Africa
    Posts
    20,980
    Thanks
    3,055
    Thanked 2,463 Times in 2,068 Posts
    Blog Entries
    12
    And old, unaltered installations without an earth leakage unit are still "reasonably safe"?
    The trouble with opportunity is it normally comes dressed up as work.

  3. #3
    Email problem 123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    57
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
    Old, Existing installations, to my knowledge, and according to EIR 2009, should comply to Clause 5 of Sans 10142, which clearly refers to Earthleakage Protection on Socket outlets only?
    If it is not broken, fix/test it until it is.
    This is my opinion and I stick to it.

  4. #4
    Email problem 123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    57
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
    Correction, I have again read the EIR of 2009, and it does not refer to "old" or "unaltered". It only refers to "existing installations", which must comply to Clause 5 (General Safety Principles) only. The coc refers to "reasonably safe", but the law sees it as "reasonably safe" when the installation complies with the general safety principles, which of course is clause 5 only in the sans 10142.

    Anyway, a freakin working and correctly wired cheap E/Leakage, if tested regularly via a little pushbutton, could have saved this tiny life, and the parents from a lifetime of sorrow.
    Last edited by 123; 18-Jan-11 at 06:59 AM. Reason: spelling
    If it is not broken, fix/test it until it is.
    This is my opinion and I stick to it.

  5. #5
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,346
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 254 Times in 209 Posts
    simply doing a bit of maintenance by replacing the cable could have saved the childs life...

  6. #6
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,346
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 254 Times in 209 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by 123 View Post
    Correction, I have again read the EIR of 2009, and it does not refer to "old" or "unaltered". It only refers to "existing installations", which must comply to Clause 5 (General Safety Principles) only. The coc refers to "reasonably safe", but the law sees it as "reasonably safe" when the installation complies with the general safety principles, which of course is clause 5 only in the sans 10142.

    Anyway, a freakin working and correctly wired cheap E/Leakage, if tested regularly via a little pushbutton, could have saved this tiny life, and the parents from a lifetime of sorrow.
    the sans code is merely a set of guide lines...what you do with your electrical installation and who you use to wire and maintain the installation is your decision...if iyou recomend that people install an E/L unit if it there isnt one and they choose not to install it and something happens it has nothing to do with the regulations.

  7. #7
    Site Caretaker Dave A's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Durban, South Africa
    Posts
    20,980
    Thanks
    3,055
    Thanked 2,463 Times in 2,068 Posts
    Blog Entries
    12
    Quote Originally Posted by 123 View Post
    Correction, I have again read the EIR of 2009, and it does not refer to "old" or "unaltered". It only refers to "existing installations", which must comply to Clause 5 (General Safety Principles) only. The coc refers to "reasonably safe", but the law sees it as "reasonably safe" when the installation complies with the general safety principles, which of course is clause 5 only in the sans 10142.
    I've just checked with my sparkies and that's the way we're applying it too. If the client wants a COC on their electrical installation, there has to be earth leakage protection on the plug points*.

    Thank goodness it changed. Now we just need to get to all the properties that haven't got earth leakage units installed yet for whatever reason.

    *ignoring the issue of dedicated socket outlets for the sake of simplicity in this discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by murdock View Post
    simply doing a bit of maintenance by replacing the cable could have saved the childs life...
    Absolutely
    Quote Originally Posted by murdock View Post
    the sans code is merely a set of guide lines...what you do with your electrical installation and who you use to wire and maintain the installation is your decision...if iyou recomend that people install an E/L unit if it there isnt one and they choose not to install it and something happens it has nothing to do with the regulations.
    That point goes a bit deeper than it might seem at first glance.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but when an accredited person issues a COC, that installation (or portion of the installation), must comply with SANS codes.

    However, where no COC is issued such as in maintenance work...

    Should COCs be required for maintenance work?
    The trouble with opportunity is it normally comes dressed up as work.

  8. #8
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,346
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 254 Times in 209 Posts
    for the record...when i wire up a kitchen...laundry...i dont connect appliances like the washing machine...tumble dryer...dishwasher to the e/l unit...i install a seperate circuit from the db to an isolator and then connect the unit directly to the isolator...off the e/l unit..just like the stove...and make sure the units are all correctly earthed.

    and some people even request the deep freeze not connected to the e/l unit.

    earth leakage units where designed for portable appliaces like irons and stuff...most portable appliances are double insulated so they dont even require an earth.

    i dont have time to read the sans regs but i am sure there is or was a section about lights being higher than a specified height ...do not need to be earthed.

  9. #9
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Randburg
    Posts
    6
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    No COC required for maintenance work. You are not adding or altering the existing installation.

  10. #10
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Randburg
    Posts
    6
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Correct. Arms reach is what you are refering to. 2.5m vertically. 1.25m downwards from the outer esdge of surface. 1.25m horiz0ntally outwards from the outer edges of of the surface. 0.75m horizontally inwards from the outer edges of the surface and underneath the surface. Earthing not required. See 3.5 of Sans 10142

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. [Article] Child killed by stove
    By 123 in forum Electrical Contracting Industry Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 14-Jan-11, 07:29 AM
  2. New Airport - nothing new - will a child die today ?
    By daveob in forum General Chat Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 16-Sep-10, 07:02 PM
  3. Why was Steve Biko and Chris Hani Killed?
    By sgafc in forum South African Politics Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 29-May-09, 08:37 PM
  4. Can your child be found...
    By Vincent in forum General Chat Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 18-Sep-08, 08:11 PM

Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network.

Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •