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    UIF RETURNS

    I am confused. If I submit the EMP201 returns, which includes the uif amount and number of employees, do I still have to submit a return to the UIF fund each month?

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    When employee remunerations that affect UIF contributions change you need to update that information with the UIF by filling in a UI-19 and submitting it to the UIF (fax/email/post). The actual payments are handled by SARS via EMP201.

    The UI-19 must be completed and submitted when you either:
    1. New appointments of employees
    2. Termination of service of employees (resign, fired, retrenched, retired, etc.)
    3. Change to employee remuneration


    UI-19 submissions would typically be irregular, and EMP201's must be submitted each month.
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    And still no sign of uFiling and eFiling hooking up to fill this rather obvious admin gap
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    And still no sign of uFiling


    What and put thousands of incompetents out of "work".

    Reminds me when I sat polishing benches in a UIF office a few years ago helping a friend collect (which never happened). Some guy behind us was lamenting at the time it was taking because he couldn't wait in long queues to collect his miserable UIF amount, as he had a job to get to.
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    One of my companies did the retrenchment thingy in the third quarter of last year. Fortunately things have improved to the point where we've managed to rehire one of the unfortunates. I was horrified to hear that he hadn't received a single cent from UIF during the 3 months he was unemployed.

    This is hour-of-need stuff! Unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duncan drennan View Post
    When employee remunerations that affect UIF contributions change you need to update that information with the UIF by filling in a UI-19 and submitting it to the UIF (fax/email/post). The actual payments are handled by SARS via EMP201.

    The UI-19 must be completed and submitted when you either:
    1. New appointments of employees
    2. Termination of service of employees (resign, fired, retrenched, retired, etc.)
    3. Change to employee remuneration


    UI-19 submissions would typically be irregular, and EMP201's must be submitted each month.
    Thanks Duncan, that was how I understood it too, until I came across the following on the Dept of Labour's site:

    ""Who Must Submit Declarations to UIF?
    All employers must submit monthly declarations directly to the UIF, including those employers registered with SARS.""
    At the following link
    http://www.labour.gov.za/legislation...f-declarations
    Now I don't know if I have to submit montly returns to the UIF fund?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vamily0804 View Post
    Now I don't know if I have to submit montly returns to the UIF fund?
    The form that they are referring to and that you have to submit is the UI-19. If you look at the paragraph at the top of the UI-19 form it is quite clear which circumstances require a declaration (which is as per your and my understanding).
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    I think the relevant part of the Unemployment Insurance Contributions Act is this,

    10. (3) The employer must, before the seventh day of each month, submit to the Commissioner or the Unemployment Insurance Commissioner, whichever is applicable to such employer in terms of section 8 or 9, such information relating to its employees as the Minister may prescribe by regulation, including details relating to-

    (a) the termination of the employment of any employee; and

    (b) the appointment of any employee by the employer.
    My interpretation is that any applicable declarations or changes must be made before the 7th of each month (where "each" means Jan/Feb/Mar, etc. rather then "every" month)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vamily0804 View Post
    ""Who Must Submit Declarations to UIF?
    All employers must submit monthly declarations directly to the UIF, including those employers registered with SARS.""
    At the following link
    http://www.labour.gov.za/legislation...f-declarations
    Oh that is glorious!

    The section that Vamily points to has this immediately under it:
    Based on Legislation in Section 10, of the Unemployment Insurance Contributions Act.

    Section 10 deals with surplus and deficit funds and has nothing to do with monthly submission of returns.

    Anyway - to make sense of it all - I believe the idea is we send through changes in a monthly return, not individually as each change happens. So if we had 3 changes in a month, we'd only send this information once on 1 form.
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    Thanks, what a relieve! I thought I have to go back years submitting outstanding returns !

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