In the nightmare that is employment law in SA these days, I have been deducting UIF from my employees and paying over to SARS promptly. One employee has been dismissed and wants to claim UIF. He now suggests that he is not “registered” at the department of labour.
I assumed that SARS/Labour would sync their databases or is there a duty on the employer to notify Dept of Labour of changes in staff etc?
Thanks in advance.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong please, but SARS and UIF are two different things all together...you don't deduct UIF and pay to SARS, you deduct UIF and pay to UIF.
I went through this process when I retrenched my gardener, I registered him for UIF using that UI-8D from, then made a deposit in the UIF account and faxed them the UI 19 form, after completing this process he was able to claim.
There is no 'syncing' process between the departments that I know of.
There is also UIF website that facilitates this...'ufiling'.
I have attached the forms that I used.
Form UI-8D - Application for registration as an employer of workers in a PRIVATE HOUSEHOLD.docForm UI-19.doc
You pay them both over to SARS on a EMP201 as well as SDL and ETIOriginally Posted by Basment Dweller
I've just been making deposits into the UIF account and faxing the U19 form...is that enough or am I missing something here?
You must fax a UI17 form.
If you are registered as employer with SARS, you need to pay the UIF to SARS, not DOL.
I'm not registered as an employer with SARS, it's just me paying my maid.
Thanks for the reply, but not really relevant as this is non domestic. I run a business and employ 6 people. We deduct UIF from salaries and submit as part of the PAYE return.
You are still required to file a UI19 every month with Dept. Labour.
You also need to provide the fellow who got dismissed with his own UI19 on dismissal.
If you think about it, you don't provide SARS with that information monthly, so there is no way really that DOL could get it from them.
Clive, I hope you don't mind me jumping in here with a related question:
Scenario: a sole proprietor/business owner employs his first employee. The employee will be earning below the threshold.
Am I correct in saying that the SP doesn't need to register with SARS for a PAYE number?
The SP is obviously paying his own taxes on all the net earnings, but does he consider himself an employee as well for registration purposes?
He plans to register himself as an Employer with DOL (for a UIF number) as well as Workmens Comp. When filing these applications, does he count himself as an employee and include his earnings in the figures for these applications? Or just his one new employee?
Lastly, if he is then only registering for UIF (and not PAYE), does he register with SARS too via ufiling (as opposed to completing a EMP101e and adding UIF to his efiling profile)?
Thank you in advance for your help with this!
An employer only needs to register with SARS if one or more of the employees earns more than the PAYE threshold.
That registration is obligatory. For WCC, to my knowledge, the SP excludes himself, unlike a company director and cc member, but I suggest get better opinion than mineThe SP is obviously paying his own taxes on all the net earnings, but does he consider himself an employee as well for registration purposes?
He plans to register himself as an Employer with DOL (for a UIF number) as well as Workmens Comp. When filing these applications, does he count himself as an employee and include his earnings in the figures for these applications? Or just his one new employee?
No need to register as an employer with SARS.Lastly, if he is then only registering for UIF (and not PAYE), does he register with SARS too via ufiling (as opposed to completing a EMP101e and adding UIF to his efiling profile)?
Thank you in advance for your help with this!
MrsH (08-Dec-14)
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