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    South African parents stand accused of murdering their baby.

    This is a very tragic case, not only have these South African parents lost a child, they now stand accused of causing the death of their baby. I don’t believe that they are guilty of killing their baby.
    To me these parents come across as decent human beings, people who have suffered a double blow and all for the sake of ‘doing the right thing’.
    Listen to the interview on an Australian Radio broadcast and decide for yourself.

    Vaccine Baby Dies - Parents Charged with Murder (Australian Radio)
    http://fairdinkumradio.com/?q=node/280

    Here are other links to this sad story that I’ve found on the net;

    Parents Charged in Baby’s Vaccine Death
    http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/word...vaccine-death/

    Parents Charged in Baby’s Vaccine Death
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...h-2740538.html

    Parents charged with murder of baby that was actually killed by vaccines
    http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/201...s-2549530.html

    Baby Dies After 9 Vaccines in One Day
    http://vactruth.com/2012/01/19/baby-...r-first-shots/

    Five Month-Old Baby Dies Just Days After 8 Vaccinations – Parents Are Charged With Her Murder
    Amazingly, this was not the first time that Baby A had suffered from this side effect. Her mother told VacTruth that her legs had become swollen after vaccinations before, when they had remained swollen for several weeks
    According to Reuters, in 2009 the Dutch authorities banned the vaccine Prevenar after three infants died within two weeks of receiving the vaccine. This was the same time frame that occurred between the administration of the vaccine and Baby A’s death. - See more at: http://vactruth.com/2013/08/17/baby-....49DrWj2h.dpuf

    Vactruth has poor reputation rating! They’ve obviously hit a nerve!
    But here’s what they offer - Vaccine Ingredients
    Get the free government documents that will radically change the way you look at vaccines forever!
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    Vaccination Causes Autism – Here’s What They Know…
    http://vactruth.com/2013/07/04/vacci...causes-autism/


    More on the subject but not directly linked to this awful mistake;

    Minnesota lawmakers ban formaldehyde in children's products but allow the neurotoxic chemical in vaccines and diet soda http://www.naturalnews.com/042029_fo...#ixzz2idURaID9
    "Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines," admits the CDC on its own website. "It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production." (This is an open admission that vaccines are contaminated with viruses, by the way...)
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042029_fo...#ixzz2idb0uiMF

    High level Merck scientist admits vaccines contain hidden cancer viruses. This video is included in the link above.

    17 Examples of Admitted Vaccine Failure
    http://vactruth.com/2013/02/23/17-ex...ccine-failure/

    Vaccine Additives and Preservatives – one for the quacks
    http://pediatrics.about.com/od/immun...vac_aditvs.htm

    Ingredients of Vaccines - Fact Sheet - CDC
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

    IPCS INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMME ON CHEMICAL SAFETY
    Health and Safety Guide No. 57

    FORMALDEHYDE
    HEALTH AND SAFETY GUIDE
    http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/...tionNumber:2.1

    A long article about autism.
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...221.full#sec-2

    Vaccination Causes Autism –…
    Vaccine Bombshell: Leaked Confidential…

    The current rate of autism (ASD) in the USA is one in 50, or 2 percent of children aged 6 to 17; whereas in the late 1970s it was one in 10,000.
    http://www.activistpost.com/2013/10/...ge-payout.html

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/search/g...%20ingredients For research on vaccine ingredients and the unintended, adverse health effects of subjecting oneself to them, visit the GreenMedInfo Vaccine Research page. ...

    Vaccine Additives and Preservatives
    http://pediatrics.about.com/od/immun...vac_aditvs.htm


    I really hope that sanity prevails. My thoughts and prayers are with the parents.

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    Consider how many people where saved with vaccination. Without it we would still be facing horrible illnesses and massive fatalities. I recommend researching a TV show called "Bull shit" and find the episode on vaccination.

    Their research pointed out that not all is what it seems to be.

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    Main Points;
    I really feel that these parents are unfairly charged with causing the death of their child.
    I personally seriously doubt the ‘science’ behind injecting our bodies with BS. I approached this with an open mind and was stunned by what I found. Deception, corruption and fudging of figures is the order of the day. I still keep my mind open and invite serious discussion on any aspects of this issue.


    Research;

    Watch this clip; at 2.45 Bill Gates explains that ‘new vaccinations’ will assist in lowering the world population.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJMR3BUm2s

    Here is a site that disputes the distorted BullSh1t fed to us by crooked fraudsters posing as scientists. The FDA has been shown to be less than honest and has a horrible track record. Who to trust if the FDA is not trustworthy? Need links to FDA corruption?

    Let’s have a look at the history of polio.
    http://www.rense.com/general92/polio.htm

    Some of these sites have a bad WOT rating (I wonder why?) there are many such sites on the net, most have links to other sites. Below I’ve included links to such sites. These badly rated sites are a danger to children?

    From an original monograph by Dr Walter Hadwen, here is an account of how smallpox vaccine was first made:
    1. A 3 month old calf was tied down on its side.
    2. 30 – 50 one inch incisions were made in its stomach
    3. Smallpox pus rubbed into each incision
    4. Calf is returned to its pen, restrained so as to be unable to lick the sores
    5. Wait one week.
    6. Smallpox pustules form
    7. Calf strapped down again
    8. Encrusted pus is scraped off each sore and the remaining blood, lymph, and pus is then drained out.
    9. It is placed in a crucible and heated, adding glycerine as a binder
    10. Mixed and strained to remove hair and dead flesh.
    11. Poured into tubes as sold as pure calf lymph – or smallpox vaccine.
    - See more at: http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/small....S906A77t.dpuf



    Extracts from an article;
    Alton Ochsner was one of the most prominent doctors in New Orleans where the secret monkey virus lab exposed by this book was located.) To demonstrate his conviction that the vaccine was really ready, Dr. Ochsner inoculated his own grandchildren with it.

    The mass inoculation proceeded on schedule. Within days, children fell sick from polio, some were crippled, some died. Estimates vary dramatically. (The truth will never be known--TV) Ochsner's grandson died. His granddaughter contracted polio but survived.
    - See more at: http://www.savethemales.ca/hidden_hi..._vaccines.html



    http://www.whale.to/a/bruno.html
    Dr. Richard Bruno is Director of Fatigue Management Programs and The Post-Polio Institute at Englewood (NJ)
    Hospital and Medical Center. His new book, THE POLIO PARADOX: UNCOVERING THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF POLIO TO UNDERSTAND TREAT "POST-POLIO SYNDROME" AND CHRONIC FATIGUE, is published by Warner Books. (AOL Keyword POLIO PARADOX.) E-mail questions to him at PolioParadox@aol.com


    The following text is taken from a report concerning children in Namibia;
    -“The same situation of poliomyelitis occurring in fully vaccinated children, usually straight after mass vaccination drives, has occurred in many other countries, both developed and developing. The difference was in the truthfulness in reporting.”-

    There’s that word again “truthfulness” http://www.whale.to/vaccine/scheibne...ak_in_Namibia_

    There are more articles on this subject when opening the link above. There are over 20 reference works supplied, one dating back to 1933.

    About the author;
    Before emigrating to Australia in 1968, she progressed to Senior Associate Professor (Docent) - She retired as Principal Research Scientist in 1987,

    The findings with Cotwatch sparked her interest in the link between sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and vaccination, and resulted in her intensive research of orthodox medical literature into the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines which continues to this day.
    Since 1996, she has provided over 100 reports and appeared as an expert witness for numerous court cases involving vaccine injuries and deaths misdiagnosed as physical injuries by parents and other carers, called "shaken baby syndrome".

    *Shaken Baby Syndrome – misdiagnosed vaccine injury! Get it?

    Dr Scheibner can be contacted by email at viera.scheibner@gmail.com.
    Conclusions; (part of the conclusions in her article)
    Not only has mass polio vaccination not eradicated paralytic poliomyelitis, it has caused a number of outbreaks of paralysis directly linked to the administered vaccines.
    Bits and pieces from her report;
    “These days, when a vaccinee develops poliomyelitis, it may not be called poliomyelitis; instead, it may be called viral or aseptic meningitis, ascending paralysis (Guillain-Barre syndrome), cerebral palsy (over 75 per cent of cases are not diagnosed at birth but after six months) or other such names. According to MMWR (1997; 32[29]:384-385), there are 30,000 to 50,000 cases of aseptic meningitis every year in the United States. Considering that the vast majority (99 per cent) of the reported cases in the pre-vaccine era were non-paralytic and would have corresponded to aseptic or aviral meningitis, then vaccination has actually increased the incidence of poliomyelitis. In the pre-vaccine era, such high numbers only occurred in some epidemics. Now, such numbers occur every year, year by year.”

    “Inherent problems with inactivation of viruses (including those contaminating polio vaccines) were already known as early as 1961 and 1962.”

    “The incidence of both whooping cough and polio quite obviously went up threefold when vaccination became virtually mandatory. I see it as clear evidence that the vaccinations caused the recipients to contract the diseases which the vaccines were supposed to prevent.” – (she’s referring to a graph she supplies, with which to show the link between vaccinations and vaccination caused disease) My words in brackets.

    “They totally overlook the vaccines' obvious and documented ineffectiveness in preventing any diseases, and the never-ending trail of disasters and very serious immune, autoimmune and degenerative diseases created in the process by modern medicine which earns billions of dollars from the vaccines.”
    (Billions of dollars? Could this be a clue?) My words in brackets.

    More Research;
    Vaccines Deadly During Pregnancy: Fetal Immune System Arises From Entirely Different Source
    http://preventdisease.com/news/10/12...e_system.shtml
    The H1N1 Vaccine Is A Much Greater Risk To Your Health Than The Flu Itself
    Hogwash Alert: One Flu Shot To Protect All Humans From All Flu Strains For Ten Years?



    Many articles here;
    http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html
    Including these;
    Internet monitoring system to stalk social media users who question safety of vaccines

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/040571_Ga...#ixzz2jrOhQ0wZ
    The vaccine cover-up: uncovered
    http://www.naturalnews.com/040402_va...cal_myths.html

    NaturalNews exposes secret vaccine industry ties and military involvement with Institute of Medicine, reveals fatal conflicts of interest at IoM


    One of the leading medical journals in this country has forbidden us to quote directly in this factsheet from peer reviewed articles about vaccine safety, again apparently because of pressure from the Department of Health. This is so despite the fact that these articles are published scientific studies.
    "A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth."
    -- Albert Einstein, letter to a friend, 1901
    "Who gets to decide what the greater good is and how many will be sacrificed to it?"
    -- Sandy Gottstein
    http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Daily...xFactSheet.htm


    History shows polio caused by pesticide exposure, then was eradicated by decline in DDT use

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036290_po...#ixzz2jrWxxULJ

    There are so many lies and smoke screens that have been around from the time that Farmer Jenner first concocted his cow-pox patties that persist until today. Governments and Medical Agencies including Federal Agencies consistently cover up the messy parts and demonise all who would dare to confound the issue with serious and well researched reports.
    I personally am of the opinion that the money plays the major role in this business. Why else should a child need all of these vaccinations on the grounds of a danger to children who are vaccinated? The truth is likely just the opposite. Vaccinated children are a possible danger, as carriers, to those not vaccinated. Why would ‘new vaccinations’ contribute to de-populating the planet?

    But at the core of this thread, is the injustice that the parents of ‘baby A’ face on a daily basis. What a nightmare to be held responsible for the death of your own child when all you did was blindly “follow the rules”. Think about it.

    That’s all I ask, think about it. Think about those parents.

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    Oops. the live link to the titles were lost in posting. Here are active links.

    The H1N1 Vaccine Is A Much Greater Risk To Your Health Than The Flu Itself
    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/08...flu_hype.shtml


    Hogwash Alert: One Flu Shot To Protect All Humans From All Flu Strains For Ten Years?
    http://preventdisease.com/news/11/02..._flu_jab.shtml

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    If polio vaccine is the sole reason for ending the spread of polio in the first world, then why hasn't polio ended in India, the Congo and other countries? There have been countless polio vaccine campaigns year after year in Africa, India etc yet we keep hearing about outbreaks, currently, India and Africa have polio outbreaks. The answer is not vaccine but sanitation. In countries that have raw sewage entering the rivers, lakes etc where people use these same waterways for drinking and cooking the disease will never die away. The money spent on vaccine is only a fraction of what it would cost to put in decent sanitation which would include sewers and sewage treatment along with providing potable safe drinking water in the third world, so, consequently, the pharma industry with a lot to lose talks about the reduction of polio via vaccine.
    Seriously? Are you really buying that?

    Let's break that down a bit to make this easier to grasp the absurdness of the point -

    There have been countless polio vaccine campaigns year after year in Africa, India etc yet we keep hearing about outbreaks, currently, India and Africa have polio outbreaks.
    Had the victims been vaccinated against polio?
    Pretty safely assuming not, if you couldn't get to them with a needle and syringe to give a vaccination shot despite repeated efforts, what are your chances of getting them onto a sewerage system?

    Probably more remote than getting them onto a fixed line telephone (which admittedly is an abstract thought to file away for now).

    The money spent on vaccine is only a fraction of what it would cost to put in decent sanitation which would include sewers and sewage treatment along with providing potable safe drinking water in the third world
    How much does it cost to put a household on waterborne sewage?
    And provide potable safe drinking water (something that parts of Europe haven't even managed to achieve yet BTW)?
    In places with virtually zero infrastructure?
    How many people in that household?

    Not sure what that might cost?
    How about a fixed line telephone? That just has to be one heck of a lot easier and cheaper, surely.
    And telephone comms have always been in pretty popular demand if the explosion of wireless telephony through Africa is anything to go by, now that it's commercially viable. What was the problem holding back a full blown roll-out of fixed line telecoms?

    How many vaccinations against polio could you get for similar money?
    There's a reason why this "result of serious research" doesn't give any numbers - it's because the numbers will show how ludicrous the point is!

    Actually, forget trying to wrap your head around numbers. Here's a question that should be easy to answer without any maths -

    Why are these anti-vaccination stories on obscure websites more credible in your eyes than mainstream thinking on the subject?
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    Lets be clear about something. I am not qualified to speak against or on behalf of vaccinations. But I have been vaccinated a few times and will do so in the future. Imagine the cost in lives if you take away vaccinations? How many people will be dead today? How many families will be dead today?
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    If polio vaccine is the sole reason for ending the spread of polio in the first world, then why hasn't polio ended in India, the Congo and other countries?
    Outbreaks of polio appears to be related to poor higiene. Polio is endemic only in Pakistan, Nigeria and Afganistan. It has now also surfaced in Syria during the civil war and experts are concerned that it may spread rapidly.

    In Pakistan, aid can not get to certain areas because the local Taliban has been targeting anti-polio workers ever since the US tried using an immunization team to track Osama Bin Laden.

    Islamist extremists in Nigeria have warned locals that "white medicine" is a CIA plot to sterilize girls and wipe out the country's muslim poulation.

    In Afghanistan, the Taliban has stymied inoculation efforts over the years. It backed off in May, citing research that showed vaccinations like oral anti-polio drops were the best way to protect children. A 2nd round of their government's vaccination campaign was launched and trained volunteers vaccinated 8.2 million children under the age of 5.

    Source: Time magazine 4/11/2013
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    Thank you for expressing your opinion Dave. I too am not qualified to debate this issue as an expert or professional. That said I really feel that this couple is being victimized. This I say with some conviction as my family suffered a similar experience. Luckily our 18 month old child came out of the coma and slowly recovered over a few years. Happily the child is now a healthy young adult.

    Now I’m not sure what would have happened had the unthinkable happened. Would I also have ended up charged with shaking my baby?

    After that experience, an eye-opener in hindsight to say the least, my last child was not subjected to the routine 4 in 1 and other various inoculations. This child is now almost an adult and is the healthiest of all my children. Coincidence? Maybe. Normal and/or natural immune system? More likely in my unqualified opinion.

    I had no idea at the time we rushed our child to hospital. A pediatrician who was on his way out as we were on our way in took one look at our child and immediately took charge. The diagnosis he made and the treatment he started were both correct. This was confirmed by the results of the culture test a few days later.

    Looking back I often wonder if it was fortune shining down on us or was it that this Doctor had seen this illness in babies many times before. The kindly old Doctor, for whatever reason, had saved my child’s life and due to the urgency in starting treatment before the lab results came back.

    The results could have shown the disease/illness to be bacterial or viral, with several strains of each type being a possibility. The experienced pediatrician was spot on in his ‘at a glance’ diagnosis. Now I’m not complaining about the ‘drop of a hat’ diagnosis in the doorway of the entrance to the hospital, but I sometimes wonder if this condition isn’t a lot more prevalent than we’re led to believe.

    We were informed that our child had a 30% chance of surviving this illness and a 70% chance of brain damage if he did survive. Personally I believe that Doctors fudge these % predictions in order to best prepare the parents for the worst. I have no problem with this method as the motive is an honorable one. 50/50 was the most likely outcome of the first prediction. As to the second prediction I have no idea.

    Now earlier you asked about knowing anyone suffering from polio. My maternal Grandfather had polio as a child and had a gammy leg as a result of this. A youngster that lived up the road from me had a form of polio. This also targeted the legs. I appreciate that this does not equate having a close family member with a more serious form of this infliction.

    For thirty years of my life I used to visit Children’s Homes and other Mental and Medical Institutions around the country. As a technician I called on many places covering a very broad spectrum of Factories, Hospitals, Nuclear Installations (Velindaba-Pelindaba), Hotels, Clinics, Government Departments, Universities, Abattoirs, Mental Institutions, Prisons, Diamond Cutters, FMCG Producers, various Mines and Refineries, Mine Worker Hostels and the Mint. I’ve skipped a few but you get the idea. I’ve a general view of the big picture as opposed to an in-depth view of a specific part of the picture.

    While I’m not saying that this makes me ‘superior’ in any way (the opposite is more likely) I am saying that I tend to see life in much the same manner, which has its limitations when trying to make decisions in specific cases. I hope I’m getting my point across here. I don’t look at issues from a certain viewpoint, I tend to look from different angles.

    Anyway, after looking from different angles or seeing both (or more) sides of the story a different conclusion (from a one sided view conclusion) is often if not always reached. After some time of looking at issues from the different view/stand points a few trends become apparent.

    All through the ages the Mainstream scorned and ridiculed those who would dare challenge the ‘status quo’. These ‘insane’ people would often be imprisoned, tortured, threatened, exiled or even killed. Jesus was one such person.

    The truth had nothing to do with the treatment or punishment of such ‘heretics’. To publicly state that the earth was round when Mainstream thinking stated that the earth was flat could easily end with a Public beheading or other unjust punishment. Even with ‘scientific’ data to prove your statement you were subjected to this punishment and your data was suppressed.

    Today we all know that the earth orbits the sun, but how many died for saying this at a time when the Authorities taught the opposite, based on the Book of Genesis? (God created the earth before He created light - therefore the earth was the primary celestial body orbited by the sun, being the secondary)

    Today the same trend is applicable to anyone questioning the ‘wisdom’ of the Mainstream Medical practices and beliefs. Granted beheading has died down but the punishment of ‘heretics’ persists.
    For example, we find in the book “Vaccination; the Silent Killer” by Ida Honoroff and Eleanor McBean, the following:
    “In 1796 Edward Jenner started his cowpox vaccination craze, which increased the smallpox epidemics to such an extent that the disease became endemic, and in 1837 to 1839 there was the sweeping epidemic which killed 22,081 people. In spite of this absolute proof of the deadly effects of vaccination, the vaccine promoters managed to get a compulsory vaccination law passed in England in 1853. The epidemics then increased to such an extent that by 1870 to 1872 there was the worst smallpox epidemic of all time, which killed 44,480 people. The English people fought the vaccination promoters until they were able to abolish compulsory vaccination in England in 1948. They have had no epidemics since then.”
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06...is-not-pretty/

    This part concerns Mainstream Medical Fraud and cover-up.
    We were falsely reassured. We were told by authoritative sources…that an investigation had been done and cleared Wakefield of most charges. But as shown by documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, there was no proper investigation, merely a 48-hour ‘scramble’ to protect reputations and discredit the story.
    According to the BMJ article, within 48 hours of this meeting, an editor from The Lancet met with the study’s 3 senior authors and the journal published “a 5000-word avalanche of denials in statements unretracted to this day.”
    Further statements reported that an investigation was undertaken by the Royal Free Hospital that “cleared Wakefield of wrongdoing.”
    However, according to documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, the investigation was actually conducted internally by the coauthors themselves. Both the Royal Free Hospital and Medical School have now confirmed that no formal investigation was performed, no physicians were ever interviewed, and no documents generated.
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01...n-total-fraud/

    I’ll need some time to reply about the polio or whatever they’re allowed to call it in Africa and India. You make a valid point and I’d like to follow up on it. Land lines or land mines?

    In reply to your question about ‘obscure websites’ a quick search revealed that the site had 8,500,000 visitors last month.
    http://www.viunk.com/domain/naturalnews.com

    I’ll check out more site details when I have the time. I’m sure that some of the sites would qualify as obscure. I’ll also supply links that expose the lies and fraudulent activities of the FDA and other ‘reputable’ agencies and sites.

    This site has many Doctors that are not afraid of telling it like it is. They are also targeted by people that visit such sites with the sole intention of giving them a poor WOT rating. Some sites go from green to red in all departments overnight.
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/tag/h1n1/

    Thanks again for giving me food for thought. I appreciate your input in this matter.

    I’ll reply to other questions as soon as possible. Take care.

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    I had no idea at the time we rushed our child to hospital. A pediatrician who was on his way out as we were on our way in took one look at our child and immediately took charge. The diagnosis he made and the treatment he started were both correct. This was confirmed by the results of the culture test a few days later.

    Looking back I often wonder if it was fortune shining down on us or was it that this Doctor had seen this illness in babies many times before. The kindly old Doctor, for whatever reason, had saved my child’s life and due to the urgency in starting treatment before the lab results came back.

    The results could have shown the disease/illness to be bacterial or viral, with several strains of each type being a possibility. The experienced pediatrician was spot on in his ‘at a glance’ diagnosis. Now I’m not complaining about the ‘drop of a hat’ diagnosis in the doorway of the entrance to the hospital, but I sometimes wonder if this condition isn’t a lot more prevalent than we’re led to believe.
    This is truly disturbing. But if I may ask, what exactly was the final diagnosis?
    And how long ago was this?
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