Connecting gas stoves

[bergie]

what about an electric oven with a gas hob. if you cant have connections etc below the gas hob then the oven shouldnt be allowed to be below it.

[ians]

After this little fiasco i have learnt something.

IF you buy a gas stove and you plan on having the 9 kg bottle inside the kitchen in the cupboard as in my case make sure you get the company where you purchase the stove from to fit the piece of hose and regulator and make sure they give you a certificate of compliance for fitting that piece of pipe and regulator. IF you dont you are gona be in the same spot as i am at the moment. My gas stove has a short piece of pipe with a regulator exactly the same as my 2 plate stove, but because i connected the pipe to the gas stove i have to get a coc for that one connection i made at a fee. The part that has pissed me off is not the coc, it is the fact that they will not repair my gas stove because i dont have a coc for that 1 connection even though the stove is 2 weeks old. The technician arrived here last night checked the stove, indicated that the ignitor is faulty but they cannot work on the stove until i produce a coc.

[bergie]

i thought the law is that the gas bottle must be outside,or is it above 9 kilos?

[ians]

That is my understanding, anything over 9 kg must be outside, piped with a shutoff valve on the inside and one on the outside installed and certified by a gas installer.

9 kg and below can be fitted in the cupboard or next to the appliance and connected directly to the gas bottle using a gas hose with a regulator, but who knows the rules just keep changing.

Unfortunately as indicated by the supplier (clearly stated in the manual supplied with the stove) unless i can produce a COC and an invoice from a certified installer to say the installation was carried out according to regulations, i have no claim for any faulty parts or defective workmanship

lesson learnt: next time i buy any gas appliances and i am going to use a 9 kg in the cupboard, make sure that it has a short pipe with the regulators already installed with a certificate of compliance for that short piece of pipe.

I am now told that because of this fiasco i have also lost my 5 guarantee, so i sit with a 2 week old f&%* stove which i must repair at my cost and have no claim against in the future.

[AndyD]

As far as I know any gas appliance that's not self contained requires a gas certificate if it's static inside a premises.

[ians]

What i need is to find someone who actually knows the rules and regulations.

Simple question...using a 9 kg bottle loose in a cupboard: (please provide documentation to back your reply)

If you have a 2 plate stove as used for camping sold at makro game etc do you need a coc if you put it on a counter in your kitchen - yes or no
If you have a free standing 4 plate stove with a cable with a socket outlet which can be moved around the kitchen require a coc - yes or no

what is the max length a flexible pipe can be connected to an appliance with a regulator?

IF the free standing stove can be supplied with a plug socket, can the appliance be supplied with a flexible hose and regulator?

What is the max sized bottled allowed to be used indoors for appliances?

[ACEsterhuizen]

Is this the regulations pertaining to gas installations?

also here

and here

and then the actual act that empowers such regs.

...and here i was thinking of building my own personal steam generator at home....

Registration of a steam generator
8. (1) No user may use a steam generator unless such user is in
possession of a certificate of registration issued in terms of subregulation (3)
for that steam generator.
(2) Application for registration to use a steam generator shall be made
prior to use to the provincial director in the form of Annexure 2, including
copies of a certificate from the manufacturer and from the approved
inspection authority after installation prior to commissioning: Provided that this
subregulation shall not apply in respect of the re-erection of a steam
generator on the same premises.
(3) On receipt of an application for registration.................

[ians]

According to the attached regulation you can store up to 19 kg indoors

5.2.2 Indoor location
5.2.2.1 Where LPG containers are permanently installed or stored in a building, the type of building
(as defined in the relevant part of SANS 10400, see also annex D) and the corresponding size of
the container(s) shall be as follows:
a) flats (H3): a maximum of 9 kg per flat;
b) houses (including cluster housing and group housing (not exceeding two storeys)): a total
maximum of 19 kg;

[ians]

As with the electrical regulations

6.2 Installation of appliances
6.2.1 Fixed appliances shall be installed by a registered installer. When siting an appliance, due
regard shall be paid to convenience in use, to protection from draughts and damage, and to the
layout of the gas piping system. Pipe runs shall be as neat, tidy and as short as possible. Pressure
regulators shall be of an approved type. Low-pressure regulators shall comply with SANS 1237.

[ians]

I thought this would be interesting for all the sparkys

9 Electrical equipment and other sources of ignition
9.1 General
Where electrical equipment is placed within the safety distance as specified in figure 3, the zone
requirements in accordance with SANS 10087-3 shall apply.
Electrical equipment, such as light switches and plugs, shall be at least 200 mm away from any
burner and potential point of gas release. Where it is necessary to install a gas hob together with an
electric oven, a three-point plug socket shall not be used to connect the electric oven. A proper
isolator switch shall be in place above the level of the hob and it shall have at least 200 mm
clearance from the hob.
No electrical connection shall be made below the hob. See figures 15 and 16 for further
connections. ...this has been discussed in previous threads.