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    Leaders: Why the body politic keeps certain leaders in their position

    1. It’s common cause that many attempts were made to assassinate Adolf Hitler. Here’s the thing: There’s this verifiable piece of history that many people are still not aware of!
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    Between 1942 and 1945, the Allies at the highest level of decision making concluded that it would have been very easy indeed to assassinate Adolf Hitler but they took a decision not to do this! Why? They correctly concluded that Adolf Hitler was a very incompetent military strategist and while Hitler was directing all aspects of the war and actual battle field this was in actual fact to the favour of the Allies and certainly not to their disfavor! They concluded further that if Hitler is assassinated, he will be replaced by any one of his military general and they were all very competent. They were in particular very concerned that Erwin Rommel could replace him as essentially the decision maker on military matters and this would be to the detriment of the Allies.

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    Leaders are sometimes kept in place in many countries not because they competent or even popular but because they are so inefficient that certain subordinates realize that they will be able to further their bribery and corruption activities with such a leader in place. They then(behind closed doors) with several other of their cronies decide that they simply must do everything in their power to keep a certain leader in place with the simple rationale that should another leader take that position, he/she may prove to be far more diligent, meticulous and have a hands on approach when it comes to holding individuals accountable for their actions and when it comes to assessing certain ministries and portfolios. It common sense, to engage in corruption, nepotism and get away with incompetence and maladministration all you really need is a very incompetent leader. Such a leader will only pick up your corrupt activities when it’s too late and will be very soft on you despite the fact that you so incompetent that even a grade 6 child will be able to do a better job than you!!!!
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    I love some of your insights, Vanash.

    Just can't make up my mind which current leader might have made you think of it - Mad Bob or closer to home?
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    Right here, right now then keep the 'Sheeple' compliant with grants and ignorant with a collapsed education system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave A View Post
    I love some of your insights, Vanash.

    Just can't make up my mind which current leader might have made you think of it - Mad Bob or closer to home?
    Good morning Dave,
    1. Many thanks indeed for your kind comments! The Wild West has been resurrected in many incarnations. This is most notable with Osama Binladen and the necessary correlation with this famous and very effective Wild West Poster: ‘Wanted, Dead or Alive.’ With the vantage point of today’s date, it’s clear that Binladen in his dead form met the requirements for ‘wanted!’
    2. In the case of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi there was a general consensus from his own people that even before any form of trial their own people articulated that their just punishment must be execution. There was great disensus as to who would have that sheer pleasure of executing these dictators. It’s clear that these dictators very own people were very unwillingly to give the sheer pleasure of executing these dictators to the International Criminal Court. They wanted the sheer pleasure of executing these dictators. The general consensus of these dictators own people was simply that no trial is necessary. They simply guilty and must simply die!
    3. Saddam Hussein did have a trial , was found guilty and was sentenced to death by hanging. He was hung on 30 December 2006. His executioners became so overwhelmed by their personal memories of how either they, they family or friends were tortured or murdered by Saddam’s security forces that they then something which never really occurred before in executions, namely, the beat the hell out of him before hanging him.
    4. Gaddafi was executed by his own people before trial. It’s noteworthy that he consistently referred to the opposition fighters as ‘rats,’ but that he himself was captured in a place where you actually do find rats namely a storm drain!
    5. Gaddafi’s body was displayed for several days. You only had to pay an admission fee if you were bringing in a camera or video camera. The admission fee to view his body and take pictures was significantly different from the admission fee to view his body and take video footage!
    6. Regardless of how Mad Bob perceives himself and regardless of how our leaders perceive Mugabe. There is rightfully a hangman’s noose waiting for him for crimes against his own people. That very same poster of the wild west : Wanted dead or alive may in the near future really appear. Scotland Yard is currently building a case against him for crimes against humanity!
    7. Just because our leaders deny something alternatively assert that a certain set of facts actually exist doesn’t necessary mean that either the denial or the assertion of certain facts is actually true. It doesn’t follow logically that a statement made by any of our leaders, merely by virtue of office they hold is true or potentially true. Denialism don’t necessary make something true. Take for instance the embarrassing aids denialism by former President Thabo Mbeki. Renowned researchers have asserted that his aids denialism caused 330,000 to 340,000 AIDS deaths, along with 171,000 other HIV infections and 35,000 infant HIV infections! “In 2000, South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki invited several HIV/AIDS denialists to join his Presidential AIDS Advisory Panel. The scientific community responded with the Durban Declaration, a document affirming that HIV causes AIDS, signed by over 5,000 scientists and physicians.In 2008, University of Cape Town researcher Nicoli Nattrass, and later that year a group of Harvard scientists led by Zimbabwean physician Pride Chigwedere each independently estimated that Thabo Mbeki's denialist policies led to the early deaths of more than 330,000 South Africans.[13][14] Barbara Hogan, the health minister appointed by Mbeki's successor, voiced shame over the studies' findings and stated: "The era of denialism is over completely in South Africa.The former South African health minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang also attracted heavy criticism, as she often promoted nutritional remedies such as garlic, lemons, beetroot and olive oil, to people suffering from AIDS, while emphasizing possible toxicities of antiretroviral drugs, which she has referred to as "poison".The South African Medical Association has accused Tshabalala-Msimang of "confusing a vulnerable public". In September 2006, a group of over 80 scientists and academics called for "the immediate removal of Dr. Tshabalala-Msimang as minister of health and for an end to the disastrous, pseudoscientific policies that have characterized the South African government's response to HIV/AIDS."In December 2006, deputy health minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge described "denial at the very highest levels" over AIDS. She(Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge) was subsequently fired by Mbeki.
    8. Similarly, to deny that Mugabe is a brutal dictator and that he has committed crimes against humanity is a futile and senseless exercise as besides the international community , the vast majority of his own people perceive him to be a brutal dictator and further that he has committed crimes against humanity…



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    Even more people are going to be fooled this time at Mangaung. I hope I am wrong!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch Hannan View Post
    Even more people are going to be fooled this time at Mangaung. I hope I am wrong!!!!
    Butch, I couldn't have said it better myself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanash Naick View Post
    Similarly, to deny that Mugabe is a brutal dictator and that he has committed crimes against humanity is a futile and senseless exercise as besides the international community , the vast majority of his own people perceive him to be a brutal dictator and further that he has committed crimes against humanity…
    On looking at this dictator there are certain factors to take into consideration, 1. Zim is made up of many different tribes each run by one of Bobs men. With out him factionalism would break out, as is already starting to happen with his men knowing that the grim reaper is camped outside bobs door. And the next in line to zim mafia throne is a man much more feared then BOB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vieome View Post
    On looking at this dictator there are certain factors to take into consideration, 1. Zim is made up of many different tribes each run by one of Bobs men. With out him factionalism would break out, as is already starting to happen with his men knowing that the grim reaper is camped outside bobs door. And the next in line to zim mafia throne is a man much more feared then BOB.
    With Mugabe, it will always be an emotional one. As he was a former reknowed fighter in world revolutionary matters. He ushed in the new Zimbabwe in 1981. But he somehow, for reasons which have no probative value, he done it nonetheless; he became a living dictator. On even closer inspection it seems even other dictators some more brutal and notable as well as infamous than he is such as Adolf Hitler, were dictators, but they can never be accused of butchering their economies, their economies were flushing under them! He butchered his economy yet he exists in spite of it and despite it! His immediate problem is that he is ageing and like all others he too will and must die. There’s no escaping that destiny. So time will tell, but some things are not difficult to determine its quantum
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