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    open wiring and cleats

    Hello, my house was built in 1962 and still has open wiring running in the attic with ceramic cleats carrying the red and black wires from beam to beam. Over the years some of the wires got pulled out from the cleats. I would like to reattach them to cleats and was wondering how tight should they be strung between cleats. Do I have allow for expansion and shrinkage as the temperature changes?

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    I think a rewire is called for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SparkyScott View Post
    I think a rewire is called for!
    why? The wires are in perfect condition.

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    What type of insulation do the existing wires have P.V.C. or I.V.R. going by the year of the original installation, 1962 it's possible that the insulation of the wires is I.V.R. and may I suggest if that is the case you have your house rewired.

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    PVC I guess. It looks exactly like the wires you buy nowadays. What is IVR?

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    I Suggest you instead of messing things with your self you should call an electrician and rewire your house if not then at-least discuss your problem with electrician i hope your problem will solved!

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    Amazing all the squirm aorund a direct question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobie View Post
    I would like to reattach them to cleats and was wondering how tight should they be strung between cleats. Do I have allow for expansion and shrinkage as the temperature changes?
    Ultimately you want to make sure that the conductors can't come into contact with each other or anything else - just the cleats. A little slack doesn't hurt, but it really shouldn't need much.

    If it's housewire, why not get it into conduit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave A View Post
    Amazing all the squirm aorund a direct question.


    Ultimately you want to make sure that the conductors can't come into contact with each other or anything else - just the cleats. A little slack doesn't hurt, but it really shouldn't need much.

    If it's housewire, why not get it into conduit?
    Using Conduit, requires that the wires be disconnected at some point to be pulled through. Maybe a better option is to use trunking.
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    If u decide to make changes, just stay inside the regs and u should be fine.

    6.4.5 Open wiring (PAGE 147)

    NOTE Open wiring consists of single-core insulated conductors that operate at not
    more than 250 V to earth; however, this is not a recommended installation method
    for new installations. Amdt 5

    6.4.5.1 Open wiring shall not be installed

    a) under thatched or wood-shingle roofs,
    b) in parts of a roof space where the working height is less than 750 mm,
    c) in roof spaces that are intended to be used (or are used) for storage,
    unless the wiring is suitably protected against mechanically damage,
    Amdt 5
    d) within 1 m of a trap door unless the wiring is suitably protected
    against mechanical damage, or Amdt 5
    e) where it will be in contact with flammable material.


    6.4.5.2 Each conductor of an open wiring system shall be visible where it
    is installed on, over, or next to beams that can be used for walking on, or
    it shall be suitably protected against mechanical damage. Amdt 5

    6.4.5.3 Conductors shall

    a) be fixed at intervals not exceeding 1,5 m to building elements such as
    walls, rafters or purlins, Amdt 5

    b) if there is no ceiling, be at least 3 m above floor level,

    c) Deleted by amendment No. 5.

    d) Deleted by amendment No. 5.

    e) Deleted by amendment No. 5.

    f) be supported within 600 mm of the point where they enter conduit or
    other building elements, and Amdt 5
    g) be fixed in such a way that the fixing method does not impair the
    conductor insulation. Amdt 5
    6.4.5.4 Where conductors enter a conduit, the conductors shall not be
    strained. Metal conduit shall project enough to allow a bush and an earth
    clip to be fitted. Amdt 1; amdt 5
    6.4.5.5 Where the current-carrying capacity of conductors is impaired by
    thermal insulating material, the appropriate correction factors shall be
    applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Mashinini View Post
    If u decide to make changes, just stay inside the regs and u should be fine.

    6.4.5 Open wiring (PAGE 147)

    NOTE Open wiring consists of single-core insulated conductors that operate at not
    more than 250 V to earth; however, this is not a recommended installation method
    for new installations. Amdt 5

    6.4.5.1 Open wiring shall not be installed

    a) under thatched or wood-shingle roofs,
    b) in parts of a roof space where the working height is less than 750 mm,
    c) in roof spaces that are intended to be used (or are used) for storage,
    unless the wiring is suitably protected against mechanically damage,
    Amdt 5
    d) within 1 m of a trap door unless the wiring is suitably protected
    against mechanical damage, or Amdt 5
    e) where it will be in contact with flammable material.


    6.4.5.2 Each conductor of an open wiring system shall be visible where it
    is installed on, over, or next to beams that can be used for walking on, or
    it shall be suitably protected against mechanical damage. Amdt 5

    6.4.5.3 Conductors shall

    a) be fixed at intervals not exceeding 1,5 m to building elements such as
    walls, rafters or purlins, Amdt 5

    b) if there is no ceiling, be at least 3 m above floor level,

    c) Deleted by amendment No. 5.

    d) Deleted by amendment No. 5.

    e) Deleted by amendment No. 5.

    f) be supported within 600 mm of the point where they enter conduit or
    other building elements, and Amdt 5
    g) be fixed in such a way that the fixing method does not impair the
    conductor insulation. Amdt 5
    6.4.5.4 Where conductors enter a conduit, the conductors shall not be
    strained. Metal conduit shall project enough to allow a bush and an earth
    clip to be fitted. Amdt 1; amdt 5
    6.4.5.5 Where the current-carrying capacity of conductors is impaired by
    thermal insulating material, the appropriate correction factors shall be
    applied.
    Thank you for the above.

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